Moving toward a North American Union

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Suverans2's picture

G'day Michael Dunn,

We presume that you wrote this, "I owe no allegiance to any nation."

You are not, then, a "citizen" of any man-made nation or STATE? Have we actually found a kindred spirit?

″Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world [Earth], and my religion is to do good.″ ~ Thomas Paine

GeoffreyTransom's picture

Sadly we are all (for the moment) obliged to retain the ear-tags of one or other of the 'demes' established by our overlords to better enable them to rob us blind to fund their palaces.

I have investigated the means by which one can become ACTUALLY stateless; quite apart from making a declaration to that effect (which I have) and taking all steps to ensure that one pays little or no pelf to the Masters (did that too), there is NO mechanism by which one can abrogate 'citizenship' in a way that is recognised by our overlords. (Again, I stress - for the moment).

Like that truly great man Paine (and like Diogenes) I consider myself 'kosmopolites'; a 'citizen' of the world. As such I would never support the nation-state within whose self-claimed borders I live - not in peace, not in war, not in welfare transfers, not even in providing tax-funding for respite care for babies in chronic intense pain or for the detection and apprehension of child molesters. Any killing I do, and any transfer payments I make, will be at my own discretion, not that of one of the tax-parasites.

As with all livestock, we are deemed the property of one or other of the various collections of tax-parasites that rule us (or kill us if we genuinely refuse to obey: there is no getting away from that dictum: you do what they tell you, or you die.) It's codified in their 'law': in Australia you can only renounce Australia citizenship (leave the herd) IF you have already obtained permission to JOIN ANOTHER HERD.

The rationale is simple: the tax-parasites generally contain their livestock within 'borders' (the invisible lines on maps that cause periodic conflagrations in which the livestock are sent to kill each other). One of the sops to 'liberty' that the masters deploy, is to permit some of their livestock to cross these 'borders' subject to an increasingly-stringent set of criteria (including, now, being either irradiated, or cock-fondled by some obese retard who failed the entrance exam for being a mall-cop).

So IF the masters permit their livestock to mingle (to a truly MINUSCULE extent), how are they supposed to figure out who belongs to which master? For now, they can't mandate electronic tags like we use in pets and cattle; so we have 'passports' that show who our masters are. That also helps the masters know who owns the offspring if the livestock from two different farms breed (hint: it's NOT the livestock themselves).

Stef Molyneux did a superb video-podcast (vodcast?) about nations as tax-farms.

I keep saying "for the moment" because I genuinely believe that the time is coming when we Mundanes will decide that we have had enough of 'homo cheneyensis' (as I call the parasitic subspecies that enriches itself at our expense).

Perhaps it will be when the man in the street realises that if he adds the present value of current and future deficits to his present tax bill, it implies that government is taking more than half of his lifetime remuneration (taking in all forms of tax, plus the future tax required to repay deficit-driven government debt).

Sadly, that would require that the man in the street understands present value calculations; in other words, it is unlikely to eventuate before the development of AI and human-AI interfaces.

Suverans2's picture

G'day Geoffrey Transom,

Sadly we are all (for the moment) obliged to retain the ear-tags of one or other of the 'demes' established by our overlords to better enable them to rob us blind to fund their palaces.

I haven't had in my possession, or used, an “ear-tag”, (any government identification, of any kind), in well over ten years.

I have investigated the means by which one can become ACTUALLY stateless; quite apart from making a declaration to that effect (which I have) and taking all steps to ensure that one pays little or no pelf to the Masters (did that too), there is NO mechanism by which one can abrogate 'citizenship' in a way that is recognised by our overlords. (Again, I stress - for the moment).

Ah, I see, “ACTUALLY stateless” means, in your opinion, that unless your self-proclaimed ruler “legally recognises” it, it isn't ACTUAL? You may be interested to know that one of the definitions for “actual” is, “existing in fact whether with lawful [legal] authority or not”.

If you don't think your overlords ACTUALLY “legally recognise” individual secession, i.e. withdrawal from membership in their political corporation, you should try getting one of their member-only benefits and privileges without your “ear-tag”, i.e. without your chattel number.

The problem, you may be experiencing, is that you cannot make a “declaration” that you are not a member of any man-made STATE, and then turn around and use your “ear-tag” whenever you have an appetite for one of their benefits/privileges. Not saying this is true of you, but most men want to have their cake [member-only benefits/privileges], and eat it too [without paying for them].

When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee: and put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties [membership-only benefits/privileges]: for they are deceitful meat. ~ Proverbs 23:1-3

Like that truly great man Paine (and like Diogenes) I consider myself 'kosmopolites'; a 'citizen' of the world. As such I would never support the nation-state within whose self-claimed borders I live - not in peace, not in war, not in welfare transfers, not even in providing tax-funding for respite care for babies in chronic intense pain or for the detection and apprehension of child molesters. Any killing I do, and any transfer payments I make, will be at my own discretion, not that of one of the tax-parasites.

As with all livestock, we are deemed the property of one or other of the various collections of tax-parasites that rule us (or kill us if we genuinely refuse to obey: there is no getting away from that dictum: you do what they tell you, or you die.) It's codified in their 'law': in Australia you can only renounce Australia citizenship (leave the herd) IF you have already obtained permission to JOIN ANOTHER HERD.

You make three points here. The first is that “the various collections of tax-parasites that rule” “deem” that you are their “property”. That, Geoffrey Transom, is a “rebuttable presumption” in law.

The second is, “you do what they tell you, or you die", to which I reply, have you ever tried it, as a non-citizen/non-member/nonperson, or is that merely an assumption?

And, thirdly, I believe, if you were to show us your “codified Australian law”, you would find that what you describe as "renouncing Australian citizenship" pertains to “expatriation”, and that you will not find the least mention of "secession", particularly “individual secession”, i.e. individual withdrawal from membership, "renouncing Australian citizenship".

The rationale is simple: the tax-parasites generally contain their livestock within 'borders' (the invisible lines on maps that cause periodic conflagrations in which the livestock are sent to kill each other). One of the sops to 'liberty' that the masters deploy, is to permit some of their livestock to cross these 'borders' subject to an increasingly-stringent set of criteria (including, now, being either irradiated, or cock-fondled by some obese retard who failed the entrance exam for being a mall-cop).

You must be a member of their “livestock”, i.e. human resource, or they cannot lawfully send you anywhere.

Question for you, Geoffrey Transom, what would you do if a private airline chose to irradiate you or cock-fondle you in order to fly on one of their planes?

So IF the masters permit their livestock to mingle (to a truly MINUSCULE extent), how are they supposed to figure out who belongs to which master? For now, they can't mandate electronic tags like we use in pets and cattle; so we have 'passports' that show who our masters are. That also helps the masters know who owns the offspring if the livestock from two different farms breed (hint: it's NOT the livestock themselves).

The key here, again, is “their livestock”. They “figure out who belongs to which master” by simply watching to see whose “ear-tag” you voluntarily choose to use to get member-only benefits/privileges. “...they can't [lawfully] mandate electronic tags like we use in pets and cattle....”

Stef Molyneux did a superb video-podcast (vodcast?) about nations as tax-farms.

I keep saying "for the moment" because I genuinely believe that the time is coming when we Mundanes will decide that we have had enough of 'homo cheneyensis' (as I call the parasitic subspecies that enriches itself at our expense).

I have already decided that I have “had enough", which is why I have voluntarily chosen to withdraw from membership in their gang. What is “cheneyensis”, some kind of reference to Dick Cheney, as though he is somehow a worse "human flesh trafficker" than the rest of them?

Perhaps it will be when the man in the street realises that if he adds the present value of current and future deficits to his present tax bill, it implies that government is taking more than half of his lifetime remuneration (taking in all forms of tax, plus the future tax required to repay deficit-driven government debt).

Sadly, that would require that the man in the street understands present value calculations; in other words, it is unlikely to eventuate before the development of AI and human-AI interfaces.

My friend, why are you talking about the “man in the street”, as though he were someone else; you and I ARE that “man in the street”.

You must be the change you wish to see in the world. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

Suverans2's picture

This author wrote: "Canada will be wiped from the face of the Earth."

A minor correction.

CANADA is not a tangible entity, it is only a "graven image", i.e. a mere thought committed to paper, therefore only the "graven image" of CANADA can be wiped from the face of the Earth. The land upon which that "fictitious overlay" supposedly lies, will remain until the day the Earth itself fades into oblivion.