Government Threat to Life, Liberty


Suverans2's picture

Why, yes, I have? Have you? These are our natural rights.

Having a right to something means having a "just claim" to it; having a natural right, means that, by nature, we humans each have a just claim to our own life, (and no one else's), our own liberty, (and no one else's), our own justly acquired property, (and no one else's).

Certain individuals believe that the problem is that we were supposed to have a republican form of government, and not a democracy. So, what is the real difference between these two?

    REPUBLIC, n. ...a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage, it differs from a democracy or democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty in person. ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language

Well, then, you have your "republican form of government", because the "sovereign power IS lodged in representatives elected by the people". So, that's not the problem; so what is?

    "Our legislators are not sufficiently apprized of the rightful limits of their power; that their true office is to declare and enforce only our natural rights . . . and to take none of them from us. No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another; and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him . . . and the idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right." ~ Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Francis Gilmer (c.1816)

Just like the American declaration of independence stated, "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men".

Last question. What is the only form of jurisprudence, i.e. "system of laws", that deems all men equal? Here's a clue.

    "The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule." ~ Samuel Adams

And, here's the answer – to both of the above questions.

    "Question; where do our freedoms come from? Answer; if the person answering is Thomas Jefferson, from our humanity. God created us in his image and likeness and as he is perfectly free, so too are we perfectly free. And when Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, that all men are created equal and*[sic] endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, and that among these is life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, he answered that question for all time. Our freedom comes from our humanity. This belief is known as the natural law; that our freedom is as natural to us as the fingers on the end of our hands, the noses in the middle of our faces, or any part of our body, or any part of our spirit." ~ Andrew P.Napolitano, former New Jersey Supreme Court Judge

* Not "and", Andrew, all humans are equal only in that they are equally endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.

    Quod ad jus naturale attinet, omnes homenes aequales sunt. All men are equal before the natural law. Dig. 50, 17, 32. ~ Maxim of law – Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 899 [Emphasis added]

    "If a nation were founded on this basis, it seems to me that order would prevail among the people, in thought as well as in deed. It seems to me that such a nation would have the simplest, easiest to accept, economical, limited, non-oppressive, just, and enduring government imaginable - whatever its political form might be. ~ Excerpted from The Law by Frédéric Bastiat
Samarami's picture

I'm pleased to report, Suverans2, that I live in such a nation. It was inspiration from your quoted passage of Bastiat's "The Law" that my secession took place and I became sovereign. I didn't have time to wait around for you guys to elect a Ron Paul or a Peter Schiff to your district of collectivism -- my clock's running at top speed.

Thanks for putting it up on the board along with the link to The Law.


Glock27's picture

Nicely stated Suverans2. No argument on my part. My concern is how to dissolve what has evolved through the greed and lust for power. We have noted recently that the SCOTUS cares not to defend the people or even listen to them, but perfer to legislate law from the bench. Now we have three law makers and one set is not even elected by the people; not only do we have a legislative body against the concepts presented but there is the U.N. now wanting to get into the action of legislating for the U.S. This country is basically F*%$ing doomed.

People can prattel on about private property. freedoms, rights and quote historical figures and to what end? Where is the means? I desperately want a solution to get out of this mess everyone is trapped into. I have been a prepper for years and alll for no good and hopeful purpose?

Who else is frustrated and depressed over the lack of liberty and the persuit of happiness?

Suverans2's picture

Thanks for the replies Samarami & Glock27.

Glock27, you wrote: "My concern is how to dissolve what has evolved through the greed and lust for power."

    "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. (Attributed to Reinhold Niebuhr)

With all due respect, as individuals, the only thing that we have the lawful authority to "dissolve", is our membership, our affiliation with it.

Secession. The act of withdrawing from membership in a group. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1351

Most countries have laws that punish persons[sic] who secede or attempt to secede. The United States has no specific law on secession... ~ West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved. [Emphasis added]