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    DennisLeeWilson 8 years 28 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Excellent debunking of the irrational fear that so many people have of immigrants.
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    Paul 8 years 28 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    "I have come to the conclusion that we can convert statists to voluntaryists, but not by talking. We have to form a community and teach by example." Yes, I believe this too. The first and most important barrier for the anarchism meme to surpass is that it is possible at all. When it works and works well, it will get a lot of people questioning what government actually does for them. "Logically, if one professes to believe in individual liberty, then to be consistent one must be against State secession, because State secession is, after all, nothing more than another variation of the majority forcing its will upon the minority." No. You are making the assumption that the default case (no secession) is also not a choice. Those who wish to remain in the Union are imposing their choice on those who don't. The latter obviously want more freedom than the former, since the federal government is so harmful to freedom, not to mention to life itself (witness the wars in the Middle East). Butte, Montana is an interesting case. There is no city government layer; Silver Bow County performs that function, more or less. To me, the fewer layers, the better. One can argue whether the optimal layer is the city or county layer. However, there are over 3000 counties in the U.S.; out of that large number there should be a reasonable selection of anarchist ones. They may be easier to defend against any latent aggression by neighboring statists as well. Individual secession should be done in any case. But I think getting rid of the federal layer is a step in the right direction, just as imposition from the United Nations would be a step in the wrong direction. Local autonomy is the goal. That way there is a place both for statists and for anarchists. The only way to get to local autonomy is to get rid of the upper layers of government that aggregate everyone together.
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago Page B.R. Merrick
    The only problem is, B.R., the mild-mannered members of the Christian right are state-worshipers, too. They're the ones who spout their perverted version of Romans XIII at us [individual secessionists]. Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago
    Salt Tyrants
    Web link Don Stacy
    Excellent article! Here's another one from Walter http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/w-williams1.html
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    Another great article "striking at the root" of evil.
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago Page tzo
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Profound truths have been stated here, and I have no argument with them. However, it has nothing to do with the rest of the content of this document. It is merely the hook—the sexy model sitting on the hood of the sports car. It has nothing to do with the product, but it sure helps sell it." ~ tzo Something else that should literally jump out at us, Tom, is what is blatantly missing among these enumerated "unalienable Rights", i.e. "property", especially since we know that all the other rights hinge on self-ownership [property in one's self] and since this phraseology was adapted from George Mason's Virginia Declaration of Rights, which begins this way: I That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. I feel that this flagrant omission was no mere oversight and I also find my antenna going up because George did not write "they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest themselves or their posterity".
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago Page tzo
    Declaration of Independence Notice of Secession Secession. The act of withdrawing from membership in a group. – Black’s Law Dictionary, Abridged Sixth Edition, copyright 1991, page 940 When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for a man to dissolve the bands which have connected him with a body politic, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Law of Nature and Nature’s God entitle him, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that he should declare the cause(s) which impel him to the separation. ″We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that [is to say] they are endowed by their Creator with certain Inalienable Rights″[1], rights which can never be abridged because they are so fundamental[2], that among these are Life, Liberty, and justly acquired Property, and that "no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions". To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the Consent of the governed, – and whenever any Government becomes destructive of these Inalienable Rights, every man has the Lawful Authority to Withdraw his Consent, and to return to the separate and equal station to which the Law of Nature[3] and Nature’s God entitles him. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be Seceded from for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that men are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by Withdrawing from the governments to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to Secede from such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of this Man; and such is now the necessity that constrains this Man to Secede from this Government. The history of the United States Government, rather than securing, has a record of repeated injuries to, and usurpation of, Man’s Inalienable Rights, all having as their direct objective the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over men. I, Given Name therefore, being a Lawful Man, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of my intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the Creator of the heavens, the earth and the seas, and all that in them is, solemnly publish and declare, this Man is, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent, that he is Absolved from all Allegiance to the United States, and any and all States under the authority of the United States, and that all political connection between him and the aforementioned States, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as a Free and Independent Man, I have full Power to Arm and Protect Myself, my Loved Ones, and my justly acquired Possessions, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Trade, Possess Land, Travel Freely and to do all other Acts and Things which Free and Independent Men may of right do. Name in Upper and lower case: ________________________________________ Seal: First Witness: _____________________________________________ Second Witness: _____________________________________________ 1 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America [Declaration of Independence] 2 Black’s Law Dictionary, Abridged Sixth Edition, copyright 1991, page 1057 3 The law of nature is superior in obligation to any other. It is binding in all countries and at all times. No human laws are valid if opposed to this, and all which are binding derive their authority either directly or indirectly from it. - Institutes of American Law by John Bouvier, 1851, Part I, Title II, No. 9
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    selmermarkVI (not verified) 8 years 29 weeks ago Page Scarmig
    Wow! Kindred spirits after my own heart... For Mike the Canadian, I would suggest that you are doing fine as a Canadian, you obviously do not intend to illegally tap any "services" reserved for SS card carrying US Citizens, so I say live and let live! For Scarmig, I ask: How many of us are there who have done this in our families? Two? (You and me?) My son was native born right here in Texas in 1992, I never got him the number either, for "freedom" purposes, and wrote argumentative letters to IRS, with our pediatrician's notarized statement that our son was truly a male homo sapiens, entirely dependent upon his mother and me, and that we were claiming him as a dependent without obtaining for him any SS#. We actually did that for about 4 years, let them recompute our tax with penalty and interest, and then we would pay the penalty. I was truly stubborn. Since that time, we had not even bothered to claim him, we just paid the extra taxes without a "fight". Our accomplishments to date: -Enrollment in public school without an SS#. -Texas Driver's License without an SS# (the form was DL-13, I believe.) -Life Insurance Policy without an SS#. -Enrollment in out of state mechanic trade school without an SS#. But, by golly, now they may have him. He has been trying to figure a way to open a checking account with a SS#, and we are at a brick wall. He is 17, and to date, has never encountered any native born American citizen without an SS#. He thought he might be the only one, I told him there are probably a few hundred thousand around the country, but for religious reasons. His lack of number is due to "freedom loving" reasons. Anybody got any ideas for my son on how to get a bank checking account without an SS#?
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago Page tzo
    Agreed, Tom, The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America was not perfect, and may have even been designed to deceive, however, according to that document, "all men are created equal", in that they are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", means that the Divine Right of Kings doctrine applies to all men (and women), equally, which it apparently did mean, according to the KJV, before being perverted by those desiring power over other men. The declaration declared that we are all "sovereigns without subjects" and that our individual freedom is to be restricted only by the "Laws of Nature", that is to say the "Natural Law of Man". http://www.panarchy.org/spooner/law.1882.html Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles [nations] exercise lordship [rule] over them; and they that exercise authority [control] upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so...
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    Suverans2 8 years 29 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Logically, if one professes to believe in individual liberty, then to be consistent one must be against State secession, because State secession is, after all, nothing more than another variation of the majority forcing its will upon the minority. The only logical position for true lovers of liberty is that of individual secession. Secession. The act of withdrawing from membership in a group. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 1351 Why would an individual want to withdraw from membership in the political community? “All governments must have citizens in order to exist (tzo)”, therefore if enough individual citizens secede from it, it will die, just as any parasite will die if it does not have a host. It appears to be the only peaceful way to “abolish it”. “The right of self-government rests on the right to withdraw consent from an oppressive government. That is the only really effective restriction on power, in the last analysis.” – Clyde Wilson, Secession: The Last, Best Bulwark of Our Liberties Perhaps Lysander Spooner answered that last question best. “To join, or support, one that would, in his opinion, be inefficient, would be absurd. To join or support one that, in his opinion, would itself do injustice, would be criminal.” But aside from all that, another inherent problem with “State secession” is that it is far too easy for an hypocrite [a pretender] to infiltrate “the group” to initiate violence to make it appear as though “the group” is using “unlawful means” to reclaim their freedom.
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    voluntaryist 8 years 29 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    I have come to the conclusion that we can convert statists to voluntaryists, but not by talking. We have to form a community and teach by example. No statist can say: "It can't be done." if we are doing it. A free community will continually have statists joining and trying to change us. This is the way of the world and what is meant by:"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." The struggle is never over, but will be ongoing. Each new attempt will need to be answered by rational debate. Statists (usually) start with debate not guns. They try to sneak in their ideas when resistance is low. They may be well meaning attempts to solve a small problem using force. As long as we stick to our principles and carefully pass them on to our young we should be ready for the fight, even if it turns violent. However, I have yet to find that first voluntaryist community. I live in rural Wyoming. I am only freer because we are isolated, not by my neighbors intent. Where is that first group of 100+ voluntaryists willing to re-locate?
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    DennisLeeWilson 8 years 29 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Excellent article.
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    Paul 8 years 29 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    "If there were anywhere better to go on this planet I would make it my life's goal to get there." Look at the free state movements. New Hampshire, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, while not perfect, are much better than average places, and would turn very free if just a quarter of the libertarians and anarchists in the country moved there. That in turn would attract the rest. If people are not serious enough to do something so insignificant as moving, they don't really want freedom. Moving some place is a lot easier than fighting a revolution. As to secession, it will happen. Every empire dies. Every place on the planet has had its borders re-written over and over again. The US is not immune to that. Arguing that secession cannot happen is like arguing back in 1988 that the Soviet Union will last forever. At some point the Union will break up, or at least the states will gain more autonomy than they do now, and when it does the great homogenizing influence of Washington DC will be gone. Some of those states will become more free - IF freedom lovers move to them. Even the less free states will be acceptable if they allow local autonomy. In the meantime everyone can personally secede, to the extent possible. There is a large range of possible behaviors (e.g. full time RV living, or living in places without zoning and land use regulations like rural Wyoming) where you can get at least part way there. The intent of this article was to get people thinking about how we could live alongside statists, and to get them to stop despairing that we can't convert them to freedom-lovers. We don't have to.
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    thebigho111 8 years 29 weeks ago Web link Derek Henson
    Let's face a reality of life, shall we. Government school is a permanent structure in society and for the vast majority, the only chance at an "education". While I know I will get the usual rhetoric of "indoctrination" and "obedience training", the fact is, the foundation for most of society is built within these walls. The weak attempt to hide bigotry, fear and xenophobia behind national solidarity is laughable if it wasn't happening. People aren't scared of skin tone, they are scared at what it represents... a different culture with a different language. These people are cowardly humans. I would even go so far as to say flat stupid. If you scared to teach history to anyone, it is because you have something to lose.
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    Plant Immigrati... 8 years 29 weeks ago Web link Derek Henson
    The article states "for any course in the public schools". By "public schools" they mean government-run schools. If you do not want to be bound by this law do not send your children to government-run schools. They will get a better education if you don't send them there anyway.
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    DennisLeeWilson 8 years 29 weeks ago
    Let Us Awake Now
    Page B.R. Merrick
    "Freedom comes from within." This powerful insight is applied to the tragic and increasing number of suicides among members of the military. Think a death camp is an extreme example? Contemplate the serenity of John Galt, even while he was being tortured by his oppressors. Ayn Rand understood this! What a powerful article!! I highly recommend it!
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    GreenClover 8 years 29 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Politicians (government in general) will always be more of a threat to the people. The difference between a politician @ a statesman is that a politician looks only to the next election while a statesman looks to the next generation. America has few statesmen.
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    Suverans2 8 years 30 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    In the Constitution of your government* the Fourteenth Amendment states that all persons which are “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside”. I believe that this is was not the case originally, but the States governments later became subjects of the Federal government. Anyone believing that the States are sovereign better go study the word sovereign and then take a long hard look at the so-called Supremacy Clause (Article VI.2) of their government's* Constitution. Footnote: * I say “your government” and “their government's” only because, as an Individual Secessionist I wish to make it manifest that it is no longer my government.
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    Suverans2 8 years 30 weeks ago Web link Little Alex
    I'd be very cautious about the slant therealnews.com might put on their 'news', since it apparently "receives funding from grants and funds". http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ford_Foundation/Projects_supp...
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    Suverans2 8 years 30 weeks ago Web link Little Alex
    From that same article, "Consistent with this reasoning, out of more than 1,500 distinct cultures throughout the world documented in The Encyclopedia of World Cultures, only 19 contain any reference to atheism. Not only do these 19 cultures exist far outside of our ancestral home in the African savanna, but all 19 of them without an exception are former Communist societies. There are no non-former-Communist cultures described in The Encyclopedia as containing any significant segment of atheists." I have found, in my short 60+ years that the more government controlled education an individual has received, the more likely it is that he will believe that he is "more intelligent" and the more likely it is that he will be a proponent of "Communism" and "Atheism". "The collectivists are eternal enemies of all religions, because they recognize that if people have a religious faith they have a loyalty to something other than the STATE, and collectivists do not like that, the STATE must be all. The state must be religion, the people must literally worship the state as their salvation, and some of the earlier writers, on this topic, have even said so in plain English, that collectivism must become the new religion of man." ~ G. Edward Griffin
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    Suverans2 8 years 30 weeks ago Page tzo
    Great article, Tom. Thought you might like to know, though, that the 'priesthood' has perverted the Divine Right of Kings doctrine, like they have so many other things. The Divine Right of Kings pertains to all men, we are all born Sovereigns-Without-Subjects. Here is are three verses from the King James Bible that are prima facie evidence of this fact. 1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood... Peter is not talking to some select little group of wannabe rulers, he is speaking to everyone who has "come out from among them", i.e. seceded from the governments of men, and returned to God's Kingdom, which is, in my opinion, the Natural Kingdom. Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and [even] his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 5:10 And hast made us, unto our God, kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Again, John the Revelator is not talking to some small elite, he is speaking to those who have "overcometh". Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. What "handwriting of ordinances that was against us"? When we "withdraw from membership" in the group, i.e. state citizenry, we are "civilly dead" and therefore no longer "subject to ordinances...after the commandments and doctrines of men", so don't "touch" them, "taste" them or "handle them", they are not for you and you will perish with the using. Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ [the anointed] from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
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    mkghandi 8 years 30 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Buchanan apparently doesn't believe that all the events he referred to--The underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber --are black ops designed to inure the American public to random acts of terror committed by anonymous terrorists and not properly investigated by authorities. What is the purpose of these 'spectacles'. To get us ready for the next false flag to spark off another war--against Iran. There are no wars between nations. There are only 'government ops' that kill and destroy to inflame hatreds against their enemies. The wars are all for control. The government versus the people. Big Corporations versus the people. It is the elite versus everybody else, and the elite control the money and the media. Buchanan is blind to this. But it's understandable. He's a politician. He's right. The war is coming home. But it isn't being brought home by foreigners. The enemy are the people who are 'authorities', not terrorists. MKG
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    Suverans2 8 years 30 weeks ago
    iTotalitarian
    Web link Anthony Gregory
    “In a republic like the U.S. (not a democracy as the president said), government is instituted by the people and for the people.” And for what purpose is “government instituted by the people”? Well, according to its Cornerstone Document, the so-called Declaration of Independence, “to secure these [unalienable] rights” and “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”. There is one other lawful remedy, however, that is not mentioned in that declaration of secession, the natural right of the individual to secede, i.e. “withdraw from membership” in the political community. This should not be confused with expatriation, as it ofttimes is, which means to withdraw from the country of one's nativity.
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    annaP (not verified) 8 years 30 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Well I truly have to question if perhaps the terrorists are gaining ground when we now run away from bottled water. Today there was a Times Square suspicious package placed outside the Marriott Marquis. The bundle was actually a cooler that had inside of it some bottled water. I comprehend the paranoia considering this really is just days after Faisal Shahzad tried to set off a automobile bomb in the very same block, but this really is New York. They are certain to have things ditched every day there, are we likely to run from anything left by someone?
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    Jim Davies 8 years 30 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Granted, the Southern States were in no degree anarchist but they were the last, I think, to try to secede; were they entertaining a "paranoid fantasy" when anticipating that the Feds might try to prevent them? Has secession ever worked? Even at the individual level, try seceding from any level of government. If they see you (and yes, it may be possible to live under their radar) they will kill you rather than allow it. Again, their appetite for power is insatiable, and they have a lot more "battle rifles" than we do.
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    Suverans2 8 years 30 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Hi Paul, I stopped when I read this, "Of course, secession will be necessary. We can't have the feds telling us what to do. Bad enough that after secession, the states will still want to do the same thing". Most Americans, when they think of secession, think only of the Southern states seceding from the Union, and as a consequence think that secession applies to States only, but in fact, secession is, and has always been, an individual choice. Black's legal definition of secession is simply this, “The act of withdrawing from membership in a group”. [Black's 1991 Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (page 1351)] This is good news for any man (or woman) who claims to be an individualist, because it means that he (or she) doesn't have to act hypocritical by forcing, or trying to force, other individuals into seceding with him (or her).
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    helio 8 years 30 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    I agree, we must concentrate our numbers. If there were anywhere better to go on this planet I would make it my life's goal to get there. Or even another planet if that were in the realm of the possible. Imagine, Mars as a stateless planet! More than likely though, I'll be stuck here, in debt, without much preparation when the empire collapses.
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    buzaman 8 years 30 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    No tape: "It's obvious that his injuries came from resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. We have corroborating accounts by other officers and additional charges will be filed." Same incident with a video: "We will have an internal review by other police officers and we will place the offending officer on paid leave." Rolls reversed: "The perpetrator will be sentenced to 5-10 years for assaulting a police officer." or "The perpetrator was gunned down by another officer as he viciously assaulted a police officer by stomping on his head."
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    Paul 8 years 30 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Statists have their paranoid fantasies; there is no reason anarchists shouldn't have them too, I guess. The folks in Anarchyville would simply haul out their battle rifles and kill the invaders. Which is why no invasion would happen. There are many examples in the past where neighboring cities had very diverse outlooks, yet did not invade each other. The last place I lived, Hillsboro, Oregon, used to be known as "Sin City" to the devout Christians in Newberg, just over the hill. No invasions took place - even though the men of Newberg probably sneaked over to Sin City now and then for entertainment.
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    Jim Davies 8 years 30 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Given that statists have by their nature an unquenchable appetite for power, how would one prevent Statist City thugs invading and subduing Anarchyville?
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    mhstahl 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    Suverans, Either you are a delicious satirist, or you have not thought things through very well. Once an organization dedicated to violence is ensconced-no matter how it is paid for-you can rest assured that there will be a collectivist army to deal with....minus the invasion. It's the nature of the beast, always has been. That said, it is extraordinarily difficult for a nation(a collectivist notion by the way), to actually effectively conduct an invasion, and repelling one requires less organization and resources than you might think. It took Europeans 300 years to fully disperse the technologically inferior nomadic tribes of N. America, and then only with the un-looked for aid of plagues. The Romans never did conquer the nomadic tribes of Germany and Britian, in fact, the opposite occurred. The truth is, most of the gaudy, expensive, war weapons are designed to awe and terrify(and bleed of funds) the populace and are of little actual defense value. Saddam's armed forces were utterly eliminated in the first weeks-if not hours-of the Iraq war.....and the Taliban never really had one....yet victory certainly can't be claimed. No, all that is needed to stymie an invasion force, as has been shown throughout the past century, and currently in Iraq and Afghanistan, and throughout history, is people willing to fight with whatever weapons they can procure. Though it does seem to help if, in the immortal words of Bert Gummer, "a few household chemicals in the proper proportions" are available.
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    How about this t-shirt, jd? http://www.realityzone.com/exchegu.html
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    PROPER ROLE OF THE STATE<?strong> I believe that the proper role of the state is negative, not positive; defensive, not aggressive. It is to protect, not to provide; for if the state is granted the power to provide for some, it must also be able to take from others, and that always leads to legalized plunder and loss of freedom. If the state is powerful enough to give us everything we want, it also will be powerful enough to take from us everything we have. Therefore, the proper function of the state is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens, nothing more. That state is best which governs least. ~ G. Edward Griffin Excerpted from Creed of Freedom http://freedomforceinternational.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=creed
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Spartacus. So, in the very likely event that the continent upon which you currently find yourself was attacked by the army of a collectivist nation, intent on plundering all of its natural resources, (including 'human resources'), your rational solution to a successful defense of it would be_______________________?
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    Spartacus 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    "National" defense makes about as much sense as "national" cell phone service, "national" health care, "national" education, or "national" government.
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    Jim Davies 8 years 31 weeks ago
    Quake
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    To Madtekwriter: yes, I'll gladly admit that "my" image of god is that he is "omni-interfering" - except that it's not really my image at all. This being a nominally and predominantly Christian country, I'm using the image of god conveyed in the Judeo-Christian religion, ie the Bible. Presumably, I don't have to show you, do I, that that image is one of an omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent entity? That would be too easy. But it also portrays him as omni-interfering, though without using that particular phrase. Consider for example Matthew 10:29, 30 (KJV):- "Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered." I suggest that a god who takes note of every falling sparrow and counts every hair on every head is pretty closely interested in what's going on. Your image of god appears to be that he set things up rather like spinning a top, and then withdrew to see how things turned out. Certainly, you're entitled to believe whatever you want; there is no shortage of myths about what god is like. But that "hands off" idea is not Christian, and does not absolve god in any degree from responsibility for the result of what he allegedly established. If you release the parking brake of a car on a hill and it careens down it and kills pedestrians, the fault is yours.
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    You're welcome and notice too that according to the strict legal wording of their "supremacy clause" there is a restriction on the laws, i.e. they are supposed to be made "in pursuance" of the Constitution, but the "treaties made or which shall be made" have not that same restriction, inferred or otherwise. It is important to note that only about five percent of the international agreement entered into by the US Government requires Senate advice and consent (Art. II, Sec. 2). “April 12, 1952 -- John Foster Dulles, later to become Secretary of State, says in a speech to the American Bar Association in Louisville, Kentucky that ‘treaty laws can override the Constitution.’ He says treaties can take power away from Congress and give them to the President. They can take powers from the States and give them to the Federal Government or to some international body and they can cut across the rights given to the people by their constitutional Bill of Rights.” [Emphasis added] July 18, 1993 -- CFR member and Trilateralist Henry Kissinger writes in the Los Angeles Times concerning NAFTA: "What Congress will have before it, is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system...a first step toward a new world order."
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    jd-in-georgia 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Cheryl Cline
    I see no real difference in Heinrich Himmler and Che Guevara. What kind of sick person would wear a Himmler t-shirt? Why would anyone want to wear a Che t-shirt?
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    dobropet 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Appreciated.
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Article 6.2 This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added]
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    dobropet 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Is it not the states right to decide what is necessary for it to enforce within it's own boundaries? http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010/05/03/immigration-foreign-affai... And, if not, which I assume resides ultimately with the people of Arizona, doesn't the majority of it's citizens support the measure?
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago
    Immigration and Crime
    Web link Cheryl Cline
    "The practical difficulty with our government has been, that most of those who have administered it, have taken it for granted that the Constitution, as it is written, was a thing of no importance; that it neither said what it meant, nor meant what it said; that it was gotten up by swindlers, (as many of its authors doubtless were,) who said a great many good things, which they did not mean, and meant a great many bad things, which they dared not say; that these men, under the false pretence of a government resting on the consent of the whole people, designed to entrap them into a government of a part; who should be powerful and fraudulent enough to cheat the weaker portion out of all the good things that were said, but not meant, and subject them to all the bad things that were meant, but not said. And most of those who have administered the government, have assumed that all these swindling intentions were to be carried into effect, in the place of the written Constitution." ~ Lysander Spooner, No Treason<?em> (1867) Was Lysander correct in that statement? Apparently so. "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It's just a goddamned piece of paper!" ~ Attributed to President George W. Bush (c.2005) I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper." ~ Doug Thompson, Capitol Hill Blue (12-9-5)
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    Jim Davies 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    "Defense" from whom, exactly? Alex's article presupposes "a society without government" but also assumes that it would need a "defense system responsible for that area’s protection." Why? A reasonable answer might be "to prevent invasion by neighboring governments." However, that assumes that neighboring societies continue to have governments, eager as ever to increase their power by raiding and looting nearby targets. Why, again, assume such a thing? If society A rid itself of its government, would neighboring societies C and M be unaffected? - hardly. Yet that seems to be the unspoken assumption in the article. I suggest it be closely examined. There's another aspect to this, perhaps deeper yet. If Society A shook off its governmental chains, how did it do so? - answer, by some extraordinarily powerful method, which we need not consider here - though I assume it would be a non-violent method, because of Tandy's paradox that if resistance to government is powerful enough to wage a successful violent revolution, there would be no need to wage it. Now, despite my profound doubts based on the preceding paragraph, suppose Government C does mount an invasion and re-enslave the residents of Society A, or part of it. What's to stop those residents using that same method to shake it off again in short order? There might in a free society be a small residue of violent individuals who persist in trying to live by theft instead of voluntary exchange, hence most people will keep weapons handy to defend themselves and their families. Possibly "protection companies" will offer their services for a fee, and prosper here and there, as need may exist. But armies, navies and air forces will go in to the same historical trash can as government itself.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago
    Immigration and Crime
    Web link Cheryl Cline
    The Constitution is SUPPOSED TO BE the supreme law of the country. ~ DennisLeeWilson "...the adoption of the Constitution was the merest farce and imposture, binding upon nobody." ~ Lysander Spooner http://lysanderspooner.org/node/63 Quod prius est verius est; et quod prius est tempore potius est jure. What is first is truest; and what comes first in time, is best in law. Co. Litt. 347. ~ Bouvier's 1856 Law Dictionary [Emphasis added] The law of nature [the natural law of man] is superior in obligation to any other. It is binding in all countries and at all times. No human laws are valid if opposed to this, and all which are binding derive their authority either directly or indirectly from it. ~ Institutes of American Law by John Bouvier, 1851, Part I, Title II, No. 9 [The natural] law [of man] is the paramount law, and the same law, over all the world, at all times, and for all peoples; and will be the same paramount and only law, at all times, and for all peoples, so long as man shall live upon the earth. ~ Natural Law; or the Science of Justice by Lysander Spooner (1882)
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    Wilton D. Alston 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Wilton D. Alston
    This is an essay that was actually co-authored by me and Stefan Molyneux. For reasons having to do with the hosting platform, it does not (and cannot, apparently) show Stef as a co-author. Simply because I'm proud of the work that Stef and I did together, I will spell that fact out here in the comments.
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    DennisLeeWilson 8 years 31 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    The article has many very interesting points. I disagree with the statement that “Black markets are anathema to a free society”. Black markets—which are, in fact, UNREGULATED markets—are the ESSENCE of a free society and they are the ONLY market that keeps people from starving in a heavily regulated society! Complete removal of the regulations would also eliminate the “Murder, theft, smuggling, and even slavery” which are ALL part and parcel of REGULATED markets. I also note with interest—especially in the comments—the many calls for “respect the law” and “enforce the law” and “make the Feds do their job”. However, because ALL these Federal “laws”, rules, restrictions and regulations are themselves ILLEGAL, the solution is NOT reform but immediate REPEAL! THAT would be true “enforcement of the law” and true “respect for the law”! The Constitution is SUPPOSED TO BE the supreme law of the country. As I stated in my 2007 article by the same name: "Immigration control is UN-Constitutional!" REALLY! It is TRUE! The US Constitution does NOT AUTHORIZE immigration control! Check it out at http://tinyurl.com/yeyd7kq
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    DennisLeeWilson 8 years 31 weeks ago
    Immigration and Crime
    Web link Cheryl Cline
    I note with interest—especially in the comments—the many calls for “respect the law” and “enforce the law” and “make the Feds do their job”. However, because ALL these Federal “laws”, rules, restrictions and regulations are themselves ILLEGAL, the solution is NOT reform but immediate REPEAL! THAT would be true “enforcement of the law” and true “respect for the law”! The Constitution is SUPPOSED TO BE the supreme law of the country. As I stated in my 2007 article by the same name: “Immigration control is UN-Constitutional!” REALLY! It is TRUE! The US Constitution does NOT AUTHORIZE immigration control! Check it out at http://tinyurl.com/yeyd7kq
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    Diogenes5 (not verified) 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    I felt this article to be half-baked. In my mind, there is no difference between a private army or a Government run army, aside from how the money is raised. Once an army is up and running it can simply take whatever it wants, from anyone, and descend into piracy. They might set up checkpoints, shake people down in their homes, or cut extortion 'protection' deals with businesses and institutions. Private armies are no more trustworthy or accountable simply because they, at the time, require contributions to keep things running. The problem, as I see it, is that regardless of something's intentions, it's the enabling power granted by violence and brute force -- threat of harm and death by a group capable of inflicting it -- that is the problem. Cutting to the point, what I see is negative human nature (widely amplified in groups, who collectively don't have to take total individual accountability for their actions) to dominate provided the ability and power to do so. For example, corporations... they aren't ever content with their power, they don't sit around having amassed great power and not apply it to anything destructive. Power is almost always exercised, you can and SHOULD expect for that to happen. What is there to stop any influential renegade type from influencing the command of this private army, molding it into some kind of Neo-Soviet ideology through increments and 'redistributing the wealth of the community for the greater good'? What would challenge their power as an organized force? A standing army... I think that has been tried before... I am in favor of a citizen's milita, with the kind of social pressure discussed in this article but far less coercive. The whole "You can't fly on our airline because you refused to pay societal protection money (taxes)" is VERY mafia-esk and really changes nothing. You could buck the 'tax law' now and have the same effect... you wouldn't be able to show your face anywhere, have a credit card, etc because the IRS would be watching. That's how the current Government operates things; "You don't agree with out politics, you're a potential terrorist and can no longer get past TSA." I would rather see voluntary positive incentives toward certain behavior put forth by the people receiving the benefit out of gratitude... such as 'You have joined the militia, to show our thanks in our ability to continue doing business without threat of outside invasion, here is some beer and a pizza.' Since being apart of the militia doesn't come with a salary there is no need to tax, it's volunteer work. Now if there was an invasion on the East Coast that required more men than they had in the militia, I could see the East Coast citizens hiring a temporary army to supplement their militia forces. What's money mean if your entire city is going to be destroyed and you along with it? Hopefully nothing. Nothing is perfect though, mine included, so I give thanks for the article.
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    Suverans2 8 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    According to the American declaration of independence, the only lawful purpose of a de jure government is to secure the unalienable rights of its individual members, because the moment it steps beyond this solitary rightful duty it must necessarily become an aggressor. Because of this G. Edward Griffin makes the valid point (IMO) that this organization should be called a protectorate rather than a government. This protectorate, I currently believe, must be a well-armed militia, i.e. "...the able bodied men [excluding genuine "pacifists", i.e. those who truly would not lift a finger to physically defend themselves or their loved ones if attacked] organized into companies, regiments and brigades, with officers of all grades, and required by law to attend military exercises on certain days only, but at other times left to pursue their usual occupations." I believe that this "law" would be in conformity with the natural law[1] of man. Frederic Bastiat may have said it best, I believe. "What, then, is law? It is the collective organization of the individual right to lawful defense. Each of us has a natural right - from the Creator[2] - to defend his person [body and soul] his liberty, and his property. These are the three basic requirements of life, and the preservation of any one of them is completely dependent upon the preservation of the other two... If every man has the right to defend - even by force – his person, his liberty, and his property, then it follows that a group of men have the right to organize and support a common force to protect these rights constantly. Thus the principle of collective right - its reason for existing, its lawfulness - is based on individual right. And the common force that protects this collective right cannot logically have any other purpose or any other mission than that for which it acts as a substitute. Thus, since an individual cannot lawfully use force against the person, liberty, or property of another individual, then the common force - for the same reason - cannot lawfully be used to destroy the person, liberty, or property of individuals or groups... If this is true, then nothing can be more evident than this: The law is the organization of the natural right of lawful defense. It is the substitution of a common force for individual forces. And this common force is to do only what the individual forces have a natural and lawful right to do: to protect individuals, liberties, and properties, to maintain the right of each, and to cause justice to reign over us all. If a nation were founded on this basis, it seems to me that order would prevail among the people, in thought as well as in deed. It seems to me that such a nation would have the simplest, easiest to accept, economical, limited, non-oppressive, just, and enduring government imaginable - whatever its political form might be." I suspect that this concept could be easily tested by asking each individual a question, perhaps something like this, "If you were attacked by a superior force would you want someone to aid you in your defense?" If you answer yes, then naturally you could be expected to do the same for your neighbors, it would seem to me. [1] The law of nature is superior in obligation to any other. It is binding in all countries and at all times. No human laws are valid if opposed to this, and all which are binding derive their authority either directly or indirectly from it. - Institutes of American Law by John Bouvier, 1851, Part I, Title II, No. 9 [2] For anyone not believing in a "first cause", please feel free ignore this as ignoring it will not detract from its intrinsic value.
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    KingofthePaupers (not verified) 8 years 32 weeks ago
    Alternative Currency
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    Monica Grand Pre: "It is improbable that any two systems would be identical or interchangeable." Jct: Beautiful article though it is quite probable that all community currency systems are basically identical and interchangeable. In 1999, under the Time Standard of Money, I paid for 39/40 nights in Europe with a timebank IOU for a night back in Canada worth 5 Hours which I recorded on my public do-it-yourself timebank account: http://johnturmel.com/unilets.com No matter how you cut it, you can always tell me how many units of your currency you pay to the Hour so you can trade internationally in Hours while you can trade nationally in LETS Greencredits. It's only a matter of time until they merge into one big world-wide time-trading UNILETS timebank.