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  • BrianDrake's picture
    BrianDrake 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Annoying Guy
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    That's a good point Jim. But who is the contract between? The buyer and the seller or the buyer and the lawyer? Obviously, if the lawyer is the agent of the seller, then his action would count as the seller's will (to the degree he is operating within the power contractually assigned him). So when the seller instructs the lawyer, "draw up a contract that will comply with the law" (or rather, the lawyer will probably promise to do this when hired for the task), the "comply with the law" part is ultimately a concession to the threat of force (the law) by the seller. Thus, is it not an invalid part of the contract? Have we not established in law and reason that agreements made under coercion are not enforceable agreements? For what is a contract but an agreement between the parties transferring title? If the seller is acting under coercion, is it really his will that the buyer is agreeing to? Imagine the buyer and seller standing in the same room, but the seller has a man standing behind him with a gun pressed to the his spine. The gun man commands the seller "in the contract, require the buyer to pay me money". When the buyer signs the contract, he now has an agreement with the seller (not the gunman) to comply with its conditions in exchange for the house. Yet the part about paying the gunman was an addendum that was not truly the seller's will (otherwise, no threat of force was needed). So if the buyer refuses the gunman payoff, has he defrauded the seller? If the gunman kept the seller hostage, then I would think yes. For the seller parted with the house and included the gunman payoff as a measure to relieve himself of the threat of force. If the gunman stays, and the buyer refuses the payoff, then the threat of force against the seller may be realized when the gunman fails to receive his payoff. So to the seller, the buyer has not fulfilled the contract (i.e., attained the house by fraud) because it was the seller's expectation in trade that the threat be satisfied. This illustration is the case with sales taxes, as I understand them. If you pay only the listed price of an item, then refuse to pay the sales tax and maintain possession of the item, it is the store owner who will be penalized and thus you have stolen from him (as relieving the threats of the tax collector was part of the expectation of the seller in concluding the sale). But with property taxes, it is as though the gunman walks over to the buyer when the contract is signed and persists to stick his gun into the buyer's back, leaving the seller free of that specific threat. It is now the buyer who will be shot if he refuses the payoff and thus, the seller is no longer in danger of the consequences of this refusal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but refusing to pay your property taxes does not result in the previous owner being fined. I'm not a morning person, so I've probably been a bit sloppy in my thinking in this post, but just brainstorming a bit. It would seem to me that even if a home sale included a promise to pay property taxes, there is no ethical obligation to pay them since their inclusion as a condition of sale was made under threat of force. This is different than a condo arrangement where sales are dependent on promise to conduct future sales with the perpetual condition of abiding by condo association rules. It was a legitimate property right being exercised by the initial condo developer, it is not a legitimate property right being exercised by the state.
  • wkmac's picture
    wkmac 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Also my deep appreciation to Anthony Gregory for making sure DiLorenzo's piece made it to Strike the Root. You da man Anthony!
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    wkmac 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Absolutely agree Paul. The beauty of Dr. DiLorenzo's piece is IMO the timing with Avatar. So many young people especially connected to this movie as it is this generation's Star Warz IMO. The conflict between free native peoples going up against a ruthless corp. entity with a covert (subliminal) connection to the State will natural ring a bell with anyone who loved the Navi story of Avatar who also happens to read this piece by DiLorenzo. If I also understand correctly, it is Dr. DiLorenzo's intent to make this subject matter into a book that hopefully will come out ASAP. In the movie JFK, the Mr. X character told the Garrison character that in an executive order lay the Vietnam war. I think DiLorenzo will clearly show that in the war to relocate and/or exterminate the American Native Indian, lay all wars, global conflicts, millions dead and the utter despotism and tyranny this planet has been assaulted with. What we Americans did to the native peoples, our Europeans cousins did to the native peoples of Africa and Asia. It's sadly a very old story that we failed to correct but Dr. DiLorenzo appears to be taking a wrecking ball to that system and I for one plan on helping him swing it!
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    wkmac 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Pot Freedom Works
    Web link Anthony Gregory
    Rita, Several months ago I read an article on this matter and it reported that since Portugal legalized drugs, drug useage in that country has gone down along with a crash in HIV infections from dirty needles. This turns "the Matrix construct" of the anti-drug read anti-liberty state on it's head IMO! Libertarians, anti-staters and anti-drug war folks should be screaming this from the mountain top yet I've heard very little although in fairness maybe I'm in the wrong mountains too. Here's a Time magazine article on the matter from over a year ago. http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
  • B.R. Merrick's picture
    B.R. Merrick 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Pot Freedom Works
    Web link Anthony Gregory
    Portugal doesn't prosecute for prostitution, either. Their rape and homicide rates are quite low. Now, if we could just get all the hysterical soccer moms in this country who don't want to see or hear about drugs and prostitutes to shut the f*ck up...
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    Paul 13 years 29 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    It occurs to me the current trend to buy silver and gold (people forsaking their fiat currencies for the real stuff) is also a significant anarchic trend. Also leaderless, also a slap in the face of the state, and also includes a significant fraction of the population.
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    This is a very important article. A great way to see through the propaganda you have been fed all your life!
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    That ought to get him some votes, in the upcoming election!
  • rita's picture
    rita 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Pot Freedom Works
    Web link Anthony Gregory
    It should be noted that ALL drugs, not just marijuana, are now legal in Portugal, which, by the way, has never billed itself as the "Land of the Free."
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    golefevre 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Annoying Guy
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    As B gets up to leave, the camera pans over to Rod Serling and we find out B has just entered "The Twilight Zone." "Enter the world of 'B'. Logic is the enemy and truth is a menace. His allegiance to the state is about to be tested as he enters into The Twilight Zone."
  • rita's picture
    rita 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    George W. Obama. Any questions?
  • Jim Davies's picture
    Jim Davies 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Annoying Guy
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    Another great article, Tzo. I feel sure I've met this guy's brother. One of his answers said "Now you're going to pull out a gun and attack people who are doing their job in conjunction with the agreement you made when you bought the house?" It's a long while since I bought or sold a house but I recall that indeed there was some clause the lawyer had slipped in the contract to the effect that the buyer promises to pay taxes on the property. So "B" might be right. Is there a lawyer reading this who could suggest a clause to offer in substitution, which would relieve the seller of responsibility to pay?
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 13 years 29 weeks ago
    The Census Taker's Gun
    Page B.R. Merrick
    I got a letter like that too. More than one, I think. Not sure what happened to it, but I'm guessing the circular file. Or maybe my wife, ever the practical person, got her hands on it and answered the questions. I do remember telling an old census taker at the door that I don't believe in censuses. He was very polite and left me alone. Just look at it as yet another opportunity to learn, to impress into your being, what your true relationship to the state is. If they keep it up (and you know they will), they will alienate everybody. Seems a bit counterproductive from the state's point of view; but what the hey! I think it is important to "just say no" as much as one has a stomach for. Slow down the gears, make them grind on sand. Oh, and I've about given up on doctors.
  • B.R. Merrick's picture
    B.R. Merrick 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    The rear end is an erogenous zone: "Striking a child on the buttocks in this sensitive age means that the parent actually seizes power over the child’s body and by force gives a message that mixes power, violence and sexuality." http://nospank.net/holm.htm#sasa
  • tzo's picture
    tzo 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    Yes, it would be best to slap an asterisk on the statement and note the exceptions to the rule. I'm glad you take strong exception to being considered a government participant. My editor has been sacked. :>
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Derek Henson
    After the murder of another of its reporters, El Diario, the major paper of Ciudad Juarez, published the following editorial, addressed to the drug lords: “We bring to your attention that we are communicators, not mind-readers. Therefore, as workers in information, we want you to explain to us what you want of us, what you want us to publish or stop publishing, what we must do for our security. These days, you are the de facto authority in the city, because the legally instituted authorities have been able to do nothing to keep our co-workers from continuing to fall, although we have repeatedly asked this of you. Consequently, facing this undeniable fact, we direct ourselves to you, because the last thing we want is that you shoot to death another of our colleagues.” This is astonishing. It is worse. A blue whale singing Aida would be merely astonishing, but here we have the editors of the major newspaper of a substantial city stating candidly, with perfect clarity, that the narcotraficantes, not the national government, exercise sovereignty over the city. The federal government understandably denounced the editorial. No capital wants to be told that it does not control its terriroty. But this is exactly what the paper said. ~ Fred Reed http://www.fredoneverything.net/Juarez.shtml
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    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
    Page tzo
    "little erogenous zones"???
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
    Page tzo
    "No critical thinking your way down to an objective set of basic rules that can be universally applied to everyone." ~ tzo And the "objective set of basic rules that can be universally applied to everyone" is called the natural law (of man). ...“natural law,” or jus naturale...denotes "a system of rules and principles for the guidance of human conduct which, independent of enacted law or of the systems peculiar to any one people, might be discovered by the rational intelligence of man, and would be found to grow out of and conform to his nature, meaning by that word his whole mental, moral, and physical constitution". ~ A Dictionary of the Law (Black’s 2ND c. 1910), pg. 804 "During the coming crisis we must keep our eyes fixed on the simple ancient truths of natural rights and natural law. We must discriminate between those who use force lawfully and those who use force unlawfully, and must act accordingly, we must discriminate between those who deal honorably and those who deal dishonorably, and must act accordingly. If we do that then we will have a functioning civil society." ~ James A. Donald
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    jd-in-georgia 13 years 29 weeks ago
    To Edit
    Page Jim Davies
    Did you ever notice that 'Citizen Kane' is considered one of the greatest movies of all time yet gets only a fraction of the television broadcast time that say, "Smokey and the Bandit" receives? Most media moguls, not unlike the fictitious Charles Foster Kane, would hate for us to be onto their myopic little secret. Bathed in narcissism, recall the conversation between Charles and Emily Kane when she tries to argue, "...people will think-", only to be interrupted by Charles, "-what I tell them to think." Even more so than the utterance of 'Rosebud', that quote has been melted into my brain.
  • tzo's picture
    tzo 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    Yes, the authoritarian, coercive government model is mostly an extension of the authoritarian, coercive family model. Rule-following as the most important aspect of good behavior. Behavior based on avoiding punishment. Do not question the rules or wonder how they came to be. Do not ponder how some rules conflict with others. No critical thinking your way down to an objective set of basic rules that can be universally applied to everyone. Authority is always exempted from logic. Someone has to be in charge, and it certainly ain't you. Do as I say, not as I do. Violence is an acceptable response to nonviolent nonconformity. Etc.
  • Glen Allport's picture
    Glen Allport 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    Good point (in reply to Merrick's comment), and it's not just the parents: government action, directly and indirectly, creates huge amounts of emotional damage (from war, environmental damage [cancer and horrifying birth defects from DU, Agent Orange, and other military and pollutants], unjust imprisonment, needless poverty, etc). What creates emotional HEALTH, and the conditions for smoothly-functioning and sustainable freedom, is -- according to new studies by Notre Dame Psychology Professor Darcia Narvaez -- • Lots of positive touch - as in no spanking - but nearly constant carrying, cuddling and holding; • Prompt response to baby’s fusses and cries. You can’t “spoil” a baby. This means meeting a child’s needs before they get upset and the brain is flooded with toxic chemicals. “Warm, responsive caregiving like this keeps the infant’s brain calm in the years it is forming its personality and response to the world,” Narvaez says. • Breastfeeding, ideally 2 to 5 years. A child’s immune system isn’t fully formed until age 6 and breast milk provides its building blocks. • Multiple adult caregivers - people beyond mom and dad who also love the child. • Free play with multi-age playmates. Studies show that kids who don’t play enough are more likely to have ADHD and other mental health issues. • Natural childbirth, which provides mothers with the hormone boosts that give the energy to care for a newborn. The article that's from, which includes a brief video, is at http://www.physorg.com/news204201579.html.
  • B.R. Merrick's picture
    B.R. Merrick 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    "Don't hit people and don't take their stuff: Lessons learned by most of us by the age of five. How is this simple yet profound wisdom so easily lost?" Probably because many parents who tell their kids that also hit them and take their stuff. How many little erogenous zones are spanked, and how many toys (the child's personal property) are confiscated in order to gain compliance? Coercive, death-oriented parenting: "Don't hit people and don't take their stuff, unless I say so." Coercive, death-oriented government, run by people with coercive, death-oriented parents: "Don't hit people and don't take their stuff, unless I say so."
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    “...insurance agencies...have acquired this position [of power] because of their reputation as effective, reliable, and HONEST BUSINESSES.” ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe [Emphasis added] You have got to be kidding me, Hans! Insurance agencies are “HONEST BUSINESSES”??? Prudential Insurance CEO, Robert C. Winters, chaired the Health, Welfare and Retirement Income Task Force, an arm of the BUSINESS ROUNDTABLE, which is believed to be the most powerful lobby in the United States; it lobbied for N.A.F.T.A. and it had a very heavy hand in Barrack Hussein's current “health care reform”. (http://skeptically.org/gov/id1.html)
  • B.R. Merrick's picture
    B.R. Merrick 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    I'd buy that. It started happening violently with the very first president and the Whiskey Rebellion.
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    B.R. Merrick 13 years 29 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    So this article is by Strike and not Paul Bonneau? Either way, this stuck out from the rest for me: "Ordinary people, on their own, decided it would be prudent to arm themselves with AR-15s, AK-47s and pistols. This is one point that makes this event anarchic--the movement was leaderless." I like to read that. It makes me think of one of the three criteria for freedom to be successful: 1. It must be peaceful 2. IT MUST BE INDIVIDUAL. THERE MUST BE NO MASS MOVEMENT TO JOIN. 3. It must have the distinct lack of a charismatic leader. A leaderless, individual decision, happening spontaneously for numerous individuals all at once. Beautiful.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    "As Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence, government was instituted to protect life, property, and the pursuit of happiness." ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe "As the Declaration of Independence noted, government is supposed to protect life, property, and the pursuit of happiness." ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe Unfortunately, this is not quite true, Thomas, in the declaration of independence, replaced man's natural right, i.e. his "just claim" to his "justly acquired property", with the vague "the pursuit of happiness". The question begs to be asked, was this omission/substitution intentional, precisely so that the new government could have "the power to tax...without consent"?
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    "...it must be recognized that the Constitution is itself unconstitutional, i.e., incompatible with the very doctrine of natural human rights that inspired the American Revolution." ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe “Steeped in the doctrine of natural rights...the American colonists rose up to free themselves of British rule.” ~ Hans-Hermann Hoppe
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    voluntaryist 13 years 29 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    False confessions will be manufactured until the guilty parties are punished. It starts at the top and goes all the way down to the investigating officer. When was the last time you heard of anyone being charged with the crime of framing an innocent person? The media does not even bring up the question of why the guilty parties are not charged. It's as if everybody assumes this happens by accident. The fact that the cops benefit financially from convictions (by promotions) is never brought up.
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    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Natural Law
    Web link Don Stacy
    “Ius Naturale” [natural law] does not derive from the customs of civilized peoples. Instead it provides [us] with a ground on which to judge which peoples are civilized. ~ James A. Donald http://jim.com/rights.html
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 29 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
    Page tzo
    First and foremost I do not "consider the United States a society". Like virtually all sources I have checked, I consider it a corporation, a federation of states, the government of that federation, or a geographical location. Secondly, to participate, to me, means "be involved in". And lastly, and with all due respect, you appear to be contradicting yourself here, my friend. You state "...there is a distinction between society and government", while at the same time claiming that "...participating in society', [which I do], 'is participating in government", [which I don't]. "Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher. Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil, in its worst state an intolerable one..." ~ Thomas Paine
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    voluntaryist 13 years 30 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    I expected the total breakdown of the "system" about 35 years ago (after it was predicted in Harry Browne's Book). I bought gold & silver to survive. I am still waiting. I talked a friend into doing the same. He died last year with 95% of his wealth tied up in gold. Had he not listened to me he would have been better off. So I stopped buying gold. I still have about 90% in gold but I will not hesitate to sell some if I want something. I am done buying insurance against a disaster that is happening so slowly that I may not live to see a "crash". If it takes another 20 years it will be as if I bought "insurance" for nothing. Have I had peace of mind? Perhaps. Have I made a profit? No. I have preserved my wealth. The irony of all this is that I could have made much more money by playing gold futures. I would have had to pay taxes on my profit and I will not do that. I have lived underground as much as possible since 1972 out of moral conviction. I refuse to participate in gov. I am a one man resistance force. My wife keeps asking: "What about taxes when we sell our gold?". (She pays taxes.) I will not. Anyone care to guess at the possibility of what year a crash might occur?
  • rita's picture
    rita 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    Arizona already does this with probationers. "One small step for man, . . ."
  • tzo's picture
    tzo 13 years 30 weeks ago
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    Error fixed: I had Bastiat living 450 years ago, not 150. Had de la Boetie on the brain, I guess. Oops.
  • tzo's picture
    tzo 13 years 30 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    If we consider the United States a society, then if you live within that society I would assume you consider yourself a member. By living here, you voluntarily choose not to be a member of Brazil or some other society. The government claims jurisdiction over all the land area common to the society of the United States. The government insinuates itself into every crack and crevice of society. One can declare himself sovereign and independent of the government, a non-member, but I dare say he will find it impossible not to participate in government, however unwillingly. Even an "illegal immigrant" flying under the radar of government, by participating in society, is participating in government. Fiat currency, sales taxes, speed limits, etc. Just as there is a distinction between society and government, there is a distinction between member and participant. The sovereign understands that no one can force him to voluntarily join a group, but that group can coerce him to participate as long as he remains within its sphere of power. I am a member and participant of American society, and a non-member but unwilling participant in American government.
  • Mark Davis's picture
    Mark Davis 13 years 30 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
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    "It should come as no great surprise, then, that government can best be understood as an enormous act of mass self-delusionary justification. We must act in an unethical manner in order to be ethical. Therefore we are ethical." That sums it up as well as I've seen. Excellent article.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 30 weeks ago
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    "Does this all not strongly suggest that freedom is natural and logical and self-sustaining, while coercion is its opposite?" ~ tzo Yes, it does. Well done, tzo. However, I have a question regarding this, "...all the members of the society are government participants." Is it your stance that individuals cannot be "members of society" without being "government participants"? If so, I must respectfully disagree. As Thomas Paine wrote, "SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins." (Excerpted from Common Sense[1]) "The instant formal government is abolished, society begins to act. A general association takes place, and common interest produces common security." (Excerpted from The Rights of Man[2]) [1] http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/singlehtml.htm [2] http://www.ushistory.org/paine/rights/c2-01.htm
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    Suverans2 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    "...they actually happened"...in the stacking and processing, that is.
  • Jim Davies's picture
    Jim Davies 13 years 30 weeks ago
    Aristophanes' Law
    Page tzo
    Superb, Tzo! You have, for me at least, broken new ground.
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    B.R. Merrick 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Anthony Gregory
    Probably too much sarcasm in this article for some. As for me, turn on both sarcastic faucets full blast, fill the tub, and let me soak for a good hour with "Daphnis et Chloé" blasting in the background. Every idiot progressive and statist should read it, and be forced to swallow the delicious sarcasm. Perfecto.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 30 weeks ago
    You Have No Rights
    Web link Derek Henson
    Finally got to watch it, (and transcribe it if any other dial-ups here would like a copy send me a pm). It seems that George didn't know that there were different kinds of rights, coming from different sources. The only two types that he specifically talked about in his skit were civil rights and entitlements (the so-called "right to benefits"), both of which are benefits of being a citizen/subject. He made not the slightest mention of any of our natural rights, the right to life, liberty or justly acquired property. He made my blood boil when he made this monumentally ignorant statement, "Folks, I hate to spoil your fun, BUT there's no such thing as rights, okay? They're imaginary, we made them up, like the Boogeyman..." There's no such thing as a "just claim" to our life, liberty and justly acquired property??? And the idiots in that audience applauded madly! I applauded when he said, "And rights aren't rights if someone can take 'em away. They're privileges." That is correct, George, if they can be taken away they are not "rights", they are "privileges". "Rights" can never be lawfully taken away, they can only be forfeited by the holder; "privileges" are the benefits that individuals receive with membership, they can be, and have been, taken away. And, I applauded madly near the end of that clip when he told his audience, "Sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government does not give a f--k about them. The government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare, or your safety, it simply doesn't give a f--k about you. It's interested in its own power, that's the only thing, keeping it and expanding it wherever possible." Anyone here happen to catch the end of that little skit? It shows, IMO, how screwed up George's thinking on rights really was. "Personally, when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true, I think we either have UNLIMITED RIGHTS, or, we have no rights at all. Personally, I lean toward unlimited rights. I feel, for instance, I have the right to do anything I please...BUT, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. So where you gonna find a fairer f--kin' deal than that? So the next time some asshole says to ya', “I have a right to my opinion”, you say, “Oh yeah? Well, I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is, you have no right to your opinion.” Then shoot the f--k and walk away." I'm probably odd, but I don't think any of that is, in the least bit, funny.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 13 years 30 weeks ago
    You Have No Rights
    Web link Derek Henson
    What if you woke up one morning, no longer believing you had a "right to life" - whatever you mean by that? It is meant by that, that you have a “just claim” to your own life. How would your life change? Then you would believe that someone or something else had a “just claim” to your life. Some have contended that one would immediately commit suicide! Then they are confusing the “right to life” with a “will to live, a very common error. Or they somehow imagine that people would no longer defend their lives from killers, passively awaiting their fate. If a man doesn't have a “just claim” to his life then he does not have "the right to defend it". This is what happens when someone chooses to be a murderer, he loses, by forfeiture, his "right to defend his life", notwithstanding he may still try to do so. Of course neither of these stand up to a second's examination; humans, like any animals, fought for survival long before they got the notion into their heads that there is any such thing as a "right to life." The desire to live is programmed into us about as deeply as any tendency can be. Here we see the “right to life” is being confused with the “desire to live”. I have seen someone contend that this will to live is itself the "right to life." Here again we are confusing the “right to life” with the “will to live”. Of course, since all animals have the same drive, then they all must have a "right to life," just like the PETA folks claim. Would anyone here say, it is “wrong” for an animal to try to defend its life? I wonder if the people who make this claim are all vegans? Probably, but so what? Anyway, conflating ["mixing together two DIFFERENT elements"] the "right to life" with the will to live serves no purpose. Finally, it is admitted, the “right to life” and the “will to live” are two DIFFERENT elements!! We might as well just call it a will to live, which is less confusing to observers, if nothing else. As you just admitted, they are two DIFFERENT elements, so they cannot logically be called by the same name. Saying the "right to life" is the same as the will to live is saying there is no point in talking about any such "right." No, saying the “right to life” is the same as the “will to live” is calling an apple an orange. A murderer forfeits his “right to [defend his] life”, but he may still have the “will to live”. Some might think that if the "right to life" goes away, then the "right to bear arms" (which depends on it) also disappears, and that we will be disarmed immediately. That is legalistic, statist reasoning. We can only ever be disarmed if we agree to be. It's not for the state to decide. The “right to bear arms” DOES NOT depend on the “right to life”; that is totally illogical. The “right to LAWFULLY defend one's life” depends on the “right to life”. It is because one has a “just claim” to his own life, that he may rightfully defend it. If you woke up one morning no longer believing the "right to life" meme, [meme noun: a cultural unit (an idea or value or pattern of behavior) The “right to life” is not a “cultural” right, it is a "natural" right] your life would not change at all in the broad strokes, as an artist might say, or in the first approximation, as a physicist might say. You'd still go about your business as before. Your religion, i.e. your “beliefs”, have no real bearing on whether you have a “right to life”. Nope, no suicide. This, again, confuses the “right to life” with the “will to live”; and as you have already pointed out, they are not the same element. However, around the edges, things might well change. For example, no longer believing this phantasm "right to life" is out there somehow protecting you, you might take a little more responsibility to defend your life on your own. What do you mean “your life”, if you don't believe you have a “just claim” to your own life, then it is not “your” life to defend. DEFEND, v.t. 1. To drive from; to thrust back; hence, to deny; to repel a demand, charge, or accusation; to oppose; to resist; the effect of which is to maintain ones own claims ["rights"]. You might actually go out and buy that gun, rather than just thinking about it. “This is my weapon, this is my gun, this if for shooting, this is for fun.” Or if you have a gun already, you might practice with it more, and ensure your family members know how to use their guns as well. You might be a little more careful about the people with whom you associate (since most murder victims know their murderers); or live in a safer part of town. You might try to be nicer to those with whom you do choose to associate, to reduce their possible anger with you--polite society might make a comeback. You might stay away from things like drug deals, which in our Prohibition era have a higher likelihood of going bad and resulting in murder. There can be no such thing as “murder” if there is no “right to life”. Can we not see that? You might take more effort to get the hell out of a country that is turning on you (e.g. Jews in Nazi Germany). If you examine the previous list, it looks like these effects, by and large, are positive things. Thus, giving up on the "right to life" meme [the “right to life” is not a “cultural” right, it is a "natural" right] has a positive result on one's life! It is because you have a “right to life", that is to say, it is because you have a “just claim” to your life that makes defending it “right”. The less credit people give to this notion of rights, the less credibility there will be for memes that mimic the supposed "real" rights (negative rights)--the positive ones. That is, if the expression of a "right to life" draws guffaws, then how far will other people get expressing a "right to health care" or a "right to free schooling"? Confusion reigns – “health care” and “free schooling” are NOT “natural rights”, they are “entitlements”. Positive rights are clearly supported by the notion of rights in general. Withdraw that support, and they fall also. How wonderful could our world be if the majority of people doubted there was any right at all to rob their neighbor for some supposed social good? If it was considered robbery, plain and simple, with no justification? Again, “religion” has nothing to do with “rights”. In other words, just because someone “believes” they have the right to steal does not make it true. There can be no such thing a "robbery" without the "natural right to justly acquired property". When you dig into this, you begin to realize that the meme of "rights" [civil, political and religious rights are “memes”, natural rights are not “cultural”] is much beloved by the state and its minions. The “state and its minions" love “civil and political rights” and “entitlements”, or so-called “right to benefits”, which they use to buy votes with. The “state and its minions” hate, with a vengeance, the “natural rights”, because "natural law" forbids anyone, even "the servile fawning dependents" (minions) of government, from taking your life, liberty and justly acquired property without your consent. That should give pause to anarchists, I would think. That should "give pause" those who "consent" [to be "citizens"], I should think. Fighting for rights is doing battle on the enemy's favored ground. Only if one is confused as to what “rights” he is fighting for. Jeff Snyder has commented on this: "...to fight for the establishment of rights or for recognition of rights by one's government involves tacit subordination to the state." Jeff's first mistake is calling it his government. His second mistake is thinking that he has “to fight for the establishment of rights”, since our natural rights are innate. innate, adjective: present at birth but not necessarily hereditary; acquired during fetal development. And, his third error is believing that demanding “recognition” of his “natural rights” somehow involves “subordination to the state” – it does not. Now, I can understand there might be some fear that, if people generally gave up the meme of a "right to life," The “right to life” is not a “cultural” right, it is a “natural” right. that life might become cheap, and murders much more frequent. Again, there can be no such thing as “murder” without a “right to life”. We can examine that possibility and see. Assume for a moment that the per-capita murder rate is described by an equation something like this: M = m / (p + q + r + s + …) where "M" is the murder rate in society, "m" the murder rate in a "state of nature," and all the other factors are the things that restrain murder. They include such factors as social disapproval of murderers, an inculcated or acculturated rejection of murder, a worry that if one murders then one might be caught by the state or by another gang, a worry one might be murdered back by the victim's family, worry that the victim may defend himself and kill the murderer, and so forth. All the possible factors that might restrain murder. Among them is a general belief that people have a "right to life." And, again, there can be no such thing as “murder” without a “right to life”, and virtually all those "factors" the author listed are based on this "right". "The Philosophy of Liberty is based on the principal of Self-Ownership", i.e. the "right", or "just claim", to one's own life. http://www.isil.org/resources/philosophy-of-liberty-english.swf We don't know the exact equation, but it should resemble this one. So, removal of this meme of a "right to life" The “right to life” is not "cultural", it is "natural"! This author seems to be addicted to this word “meme”. would seem to increase the murder rate some. Again, and again, and again, there can be no such thing as “murder” without a “right to life”. But notice, these are not independent variables. I alluded to it earlier; if someone stops believing in a right to life, one naturally compensates by buying a gun. Oh, for crying out loud! The removal of a "right to life" may in fact decrease the overall murder rate due to these other compensating factors. THERE CAN BE NO SUCH THING AS “MURDER” IF THERE IS NO “RIGHT TO LIFE” -- END OF STORY! What if the gun ownership rate doubled in this country, and everybody carried? Would not this make crime untenable? Would government, the most murderous agency in history, be even less inclined to impose on us or kill us? It was the Jews' belief in a "right to life" that got them killed in Nazi Germany, as much as anything, because they worked under the delusion they were protected when they really weren't. They would not have permitted themselves to be disarmed, absent this belief; and not being disarmed, would not have been victimized to near the extent they were. This is getting tiresome! This author is once again confusing the “right to life” with a “right to live”. (To expand this point, they would not have registered their guns in the first place, thus allowing easy subsequent disarmament.) I have to laugh at libertarians and anarchists depending on the murderous state to defend their life via the "right to life," and even more so depending on the "right to property" as they dutifully pay their taxes (surrender their property). If they are depending on the state to defend their lives and property then they are members of the body politic and ought to pay their taxes. I guess that means there is only a "right to a state-determined amount of property," eh? If you are a “citizen”, i.e. a subject of the state, then the state owns all your property. Cujus est commodum ejus debet esse incommodum. He who receives the benefit should also bear the disadvantage. Quicpuid acquiritur servo, acquiritur domino. Whatever is acquired by the servant, is acquired for the master. 15 Bin. Ab. 327. ″The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State: individual so-called ‘ownership’ is only by virtue of Government, i.e. law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.″ ~ Senate Document No. 43, 73rd Congress, 1st Session. (Brown v. Welch supra) The real reason to stop believing, is that "there is no there, there" (as Gertrude Stein once said of Oakland). There is nothing protecting you. The only way the “right to life” protects you is that it gives you the “right to defend your life”. Ever hear of the “right of self-defense” or “justifiable homocide"? justifiable homocide n. a killing without evil or criminal intent, for which there can be no blame, such as self-defense to protect oneself or to protect another... It is a phantasm, just a meme There's that damn word again! in our heads "Natural rights" are NOT "cultural".--not a very useful one at that--which the state violates with astounding regularity. How can you say that the state "violates" something which you say does not exist? Stop believing in this statist propaganda, folks. Please, show us all some “statist propaganda” promoting “natural rights”. If you want protection, then protect yourself, or join with others in a voluntary association to do it. If you want property, have enough that can be protected with your gun, or by your friends with guns. Understanding your “natural rights” does not magically negate protecting your life, liberty and justly acquired property, they are what make it “right” [lawful] for you to do so, and it is precisely because you have the "natural right" to try to protect your life, liberty and justly acquired property that your "friends" may choose to help you. That's not to say that you can't ever use the state to help you in this protection, but keep in mind that doing so is exactly like employing the Mafia to protect you. Yeah, sometimes it will come out your way, but the cost will be high. And they are not the most reliable folks to depend on, and will turn on you when it suits them. Oh, and never forget that protection implies submission. Finally, this author gets something right, (although, unfortunately, I can't say the same for the attached article). Protectio trahit subjectionem, subjectio projectionem. Protection draws to it subjection, subjection, protection. Co. Litt. 65.
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    B.R. Merrick 13 years 30 weeks ago
    Magna Carta
    Web link Don Stacy
    "•38. No bailiff from henceforth shall put any man to his law upon his own bare saying, without credible witnesses to prove it." ...excepting in courts of traffic, where the testimony of one pimple-faced copper shall suffice in retrieving for the king the cost of a small dinner for five. (I think that was the part that was partially burned off the original document.) In all seriousness, I wouldn't be griping about government at all if it weren't for the great English tradition of increasing liberty. Sadly, both England and America are now dispensing with that tradition. I'm loving this link. (Bit of an Anglophile here.)
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    Suverans2 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    The Police: No Duty To Protect Individuals (Warren v. D.C.) http://gunowners.org/sk0503.htm The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen." Police Have No Duty To Protect Individuals by Peter Kasler http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html Professor Don B. Kates, Jr., eminent civil rights lawyer and criminologist, states: Even if all 500,000 American police officers were assigned to patrol, they could not protect 240 million citizens from upwards of 10 million criminals who enjoy the luxury of deciding when and where to strike. But we have nothing like 500,000 patrol officers; to determine how many police are actually available for any one shift, we must divide the 500,000 by four (three shifts per day, plus officers who have days off, are on sick leave, etc.). The resulting number must be cut in half to account for officers assigned to investigations, juvenile, records, laboratory, traffic, etc., rather than patrol. ~ Guns, Murders, and the Constitution (Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy, 1990) "None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army." ~ Thomas Jefferson (1803)
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    Paul 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    You are not cynical enough yet. The most important duty of police officers is to keep the sheep quite and submissive. Their advertised role is to "serve and protect", but they only serve and protect the ruling class, not you. In fact they serve and protect the ruling class from you.
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    Paul 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Of course it is a success! For the ruling class cronies... just think of all the juicy contracts.
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    B.R. Merrick 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Most people really don't want freedom. What they want is a system that protects them and screws everybody else. Unfortunately, the systems chosen again and again are coercive, and therefore, death-oriented. If you want the government to stop others from behaving in a manner that doesn't please you when you chance to see it for a few seconds, hear about it in a dinner conversation, or think about it when you know (or strongly suspect) that it happens in the house next door, that same government will steal, lie, cheat, and either purposely or accidentally come after your life. It can never be anything other than death-oriented. With any luck, the supporters of this death-oriented legislation in Montana will be able to stave off the self-directed excesses of their cherised system of coercion for a few decades, long enough to keep the homos at bay, if the proposed legislation ever actually comes into being. Good luck.
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    rita 13 years 30 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Unfortunately, tragically, in fact, this kind of thing goes on every day, all across the nation. Police officers are a power unto themselves; they terrorize and Taser our children, murder our husbands and wives, kill our family pets and their own canine "partners," and they do it with impunity. Even when their reckless stupidity kills other officers, some civilian takes the fall. Oh, the families of the victims might eventually get a settlement, which the rest of us victims pay for, but individual officers are rarely held accountable for the atrocities they commit. The most important duties of police officers are protecting the public and upholding the law, preferably in that order. "Enforcing" the law should take a way-distant third place. Any bully with a badge and a gun can enforce; it takes a certain amount of honor and courage to "protect." And you can't "uphold" anything by holding yourself above it.
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    Suverans2 13 years 30 weeks ago
    You Have No Rights
    Web link Derek Henson
    Can't watch the video on dial-up, but let me word that title another way, "You Have No 'Just Claim' To Anything", so we can see what it is truly stating. It is precisely because we do have a “natural” right, i.e. a “just claim” to certain things, (life, liberty and justly acquired property), that makes it “wrong”, even for the government, to take them without the owner's consent. However, if one consents to be, or remain, a voluntary member of the "Country Club", i.e. a U.S. citizen, then that person apparently does not have a "legal" right to anything. ″The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State: individual so-called ‘ownership’ is only by virtue of Government, i.e. law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.″ ~ Senate Document No. 43, 73rd Congress, 1st Session. (Brown v. Welch supra) On the other hand, "If he chooses to depend, for the protection of his own rights, solely upon himself, and upon such voluntary assistance as other persons may freely offer to him when the necessity for it arises, he has a perfect right to do so. And this course would be a reasonably safe one for him to follow, so long as he himself should manifest the ordinary readiness of mankind, in like cases, to go to the assistance and defence of injured persons; and should also himself "live honestly, hurt no one, and give to every one his due." For such a man is reasonably sure of always giving friends and defenders enough in case of need, whether he shall have joined any association, or not." http://lysanderspooner.org/node/59
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    Paul 13 years 30 weeks ago
    You Have No Rights
    Web link Derek Henson
    Right on target, George. http://www.strike-the-root.com/life-without-rights
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    voluntaryist 13 years 31 weeks ago
    Booing the Goose
    Page Jim Davies
    In the Schiff case the gov made it clear that its position is: "I don't have to show you no stinking law because I have the power and whatever I command is the law". In the Rose case the gov proved it can get a jury to agree that it is criminal to think for oneself if the thought is forbidden by government agents. Rose was accused of being insincere. Apparently a law exists making hypocrisy illegal. The state must prove that a person "knowingly" violated a law, meaning he believed such a law existed, even though he later claims he did not, and violated it. The state could not show that Rose's words or deeds were hypocritical. It should have been "case dismissed". It chose to parade gov agents who advised Rose as to the law. When he asked to see the law in writing they promised to show him but did not, or they showed him a regulation which did not apply to the subject and pretended it did. Naturally he remained unconvinced, as any sane person would. He was found guilty. The message is clear: You must think what we tell you to think, even without proof, or IN SPITE OF proof or suffer. (I can't help wondering: Did the jury CONSCIOUSLY indentify the meaning of their conviction? I doubt it. Cowardice requires self deception and this jury was guilty of abject surrender of the "self".) What % of Americans have turned into "Borg"?