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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    The ruling class must like the idea of revolution.
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    They like poking sheep.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    You are wrong, Michael. Sweatshops are consistent with freedom, as are prostitution, drug addiction, and other such things. The point is not to make freedom palatable to people by lying about it, or imagining it will be utopia. It's good enough that it will be better than all the alternatives, and it is that.
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    Samarami 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    Since employees of civil government have so egregiously infused themselves into what semblance of a market there is left it would be difficult to define "sweatshop" with any objectivity. If you're not a prostitute or a drug dealer or perhaps another participant in a "black market" you wouldn't know much about a "free market" (or market-anarchism) to start with. As an anarchist I do not "support sweatshops". Do I ask for the parasites of state to intervene to "prevent" the not-so-good jobs from coming about? No. There will be good jobs and bad jobs. But the free market will allow employment for anybody wishing to work. There will be no "unemployment". Sam
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    rita 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    And it's not only convicted criminals who suffer -- government cutbacks have public schools screaming for volunteers, but in AZ, at least, you can't even sit in a classroom and read to children, in full view of the teacher, if you have a criminal record. Meanwhile, nursing homes, hospitals and organizations like Big Brothers/Big Sisters are chronically understaffed because of punitive laws that place drug felons in the same banned class as convicted child abusers and thieves.
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago Page Paul Hein
    G'day Paul, (A cordial greeting takes very little effort, plus it lets everyone know to whom we are responding.) I think you know the "support" that Paul Hein was asking about was "public enthusiasm for this tax", i.e. member enthusiasm. And, I believe that member "enthusiasm for this tax" would be about equal to the sheep's excitement about being loaded onto the truck headed for the slaughter house -- they don't like it at all, they may even raise a ruckus about it, but they'll stick with the herd until the bitter end, they'll almost never "withdraw from membership in the group". It may help for members of the STATE (STATE citizens) to think of this "tax" as the "rental-fee" for using the car that the original purchaser voluntarily gave to the STATE when he voluntarily, (albeit ignorantly), signed the back of the Manufacturer's Statement of Origin. I know, I know, someone here is bound to say that there was a gun held to their head as they signed it. The good news is that if that is true, and they can prove it, their signature will be null and void, from the beginning. Actus me invito factus, non est meus actus. An act done by me against my will, is not my act. Good luck on that one. What most of us do not realize is that it is the following Maxim of Law we are really contending with. And, it only holds true for voluntary servants, by the way. Quicpuid acquiritur servo, acquiritur domino. Whatever is acquired by the servant, is acquired for the master. 15 Bin. Ab. 327. ″The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State: individual so-called ‘ownership’ is only by virtue of Government, i.e. law amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.″ ~ Senate Document No. 43, 73rd Congress, 1st Session. (Brown v. Welch supra) Again, this only holds true for voluntary servants, the Government does not write laws for non-members, i.e. free men. Free men are controlled by the natural law.
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    Or, maybe, because they are already in bed with the Beast?
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    A Liberal in La... 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    That news will be welcomed by the sales reps and biz dev people who've been pushing the scanning machines. Also, there's an interesting tidbit in the middle of this article: "Meanwhile, the TSA has now told its 40,000 airport screeners that they have the right to unionize on a limited basis -- defeating the Bush administration's original insistence that the DHS should be nonunion in order to ensure maximum flexibility and accountability." So, once again we find clear and convincing evidence about the ways and means of the left-right, crony capitalistic police state. And, oh yes, at least a few of the new TSA employees would need to be equipped with submission devices such as Tasers. And let's not forget about the two-bit colleges that are pushing degrees in criminal justice. An expansion of the DHS is like manna from heaven. In other news: Tim Geitner will be visitig northwest Arkansas this morning and the offices of NanoMech this afternoon. Geithner Does Northwest Arkansas (And Calgary)
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago Page Paul Hein
    "In my state, and probably yours also, you cannot buy the rulers’ permission to operate your (?) car without providing proof that you’ve paid the tribute demanded yearly in order for you to pretend that you actually own the vehicle." ~ Paul Hein Word status Meaning (noun) position (noun) condition Synonym state (generic term) Therein lies the problem, you may be in the wrong "state". In my "state" you can, "Create your own custom license plates at BuildASign.com! Using our online design tool you can create custom license plates..." like THIS for a one-time-fee of about 15 doll-hairs. DISCLAIMER: Do not do this unless you are in the right "state" (legal condition).
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    Mitrik_Spanner 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Totally disgusting. how much longer is this sheriff Arpaio going to last before he gets canned? I once thought I might live in AZ. Now I think it full of Tea Party loons.
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    A Liberal in La... 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    The subtitle of the article: "Do we really even exist? Fooling ourselves into thinking we do is the one thing that makes us who we are" Maybe that's editors' humor. Julian Baggini's last two sentences: "But it does not therefore show that this 'I' is just an illusion. There is what I call an Ego Trick, but it is not that the self doesn't exist, only that it is not what we generally assume it to be." Interpretation: The editor(s) of The Independent didn't finish the article, or didn't pay careful attention to what they read. Baggini should request a right to veto the titles and subtitles chosen by editors for his pieces.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Page Paul Hein
    "Is there such support for the license plate/sticker tax?" There is. It is needed to pay the salaries of the bureaucrats who take your money for the sticker. Makes sense, huh? I always thought the state should simply issue randomly, generic plates, with numbers in the range from 0 to 99, black on white, no "art" plates. Then all they would have to do is call for the "red car with license 67" and have a better chance of catching the bad guy, since people would actually be able to read and remember the plates from a much greater distance. This would be so even though multiple cars would have number 67. Or maybe use 3 digits instead of two. Of course this assumes the whole point is to make it possible to catch criminals. Of course, since the government IS criminal, this can't possibly be the real reason for license plates. They are there to enslave us, plain and simple. They are something like the tattoos on the arms of inmates at Bergen-Belsen.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago
    Authority: God vs. Man
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    "Aside from the entertainment value of Henry’s escapades, what I was most struck by is that so many people were willing to subordinate themselves and to sacrifice and throw away their lives for a complete artifice. Here is a clue for those who do not know. There are really no such things as kings and emperors." Well... Unfortunately, it's not just fantasy that is maintaining the kings in their positions - otherwise you could just walk up to old Henry and stick a knife in his gut. There was the threat of exquisite torture, and the promised destruction of one's family and associates. Most kings don't care if you believe, as long as you fear. And the same effects are observable today, although the state prefers to clothe their revenge in the legal niceties. It's certainly possible to fear too much though.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    They can't help but undermine their own position.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Getting a lawyer is a solution, but not a very manly one.
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    tzo 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    I think, Paul, that may depend upon the situation a bit. Money is a useful exchange commodity in a complex market. The more complex, the more useful and necessary. If the market, aka society, breaks down completely, then direct barter may be more valuable than indirect exchange. But I agree that in the long run, humans have consistently assigned value to PMs, and so by definition they have value in human transactions, and so the breakdown would have to be pretty severe indeed in order for you to not to be able to find someone who would be willing to take some off your hands in exchange for necessities such as food and water. Stranded in the desert, a gallon of water would be worth more to you than a ton of gold. Of course. So the question becomes, if the society breaks down, how desperate will it get? I have a hard time seeing things deteriorate to the point where you would end up starving with a stash of useless PMs. I also have a hard time seeing myself being hit by lightning tomorrow. Could happen, though.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    This reminds me of the Julio Buitrago incident (look it up) that outraged people so much that it was a prime cause of success of the Sandinista Revolution. The state cannot help but make itself look like a heartless bastard. A good thing for revolutionaries, too. I guess I've seen my last Seagal movie.
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    Paul 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Well, gold and silver do have real tangible value, just like anything does. They also have trade value, more universally recognized than anything else but fiat currencies - and the latter do not historically have staying power when governments print more of them, unlike gold and silver. Nothing wrong with barter, as long as you can find what you need. It's when barter gets clumsy where gold and silver become useful. It makes no more sense to have only guns and a garden, with no gold or silver, than it does to have gold and silver, with no guns or a garden.
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    Darkcrusade 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Sad but true. The chickens beg help from the fox who is watching the hen house. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHhTXunC2Uo Another fox story.> http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/jessica/letter9.shtml#top
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    Sharon Secor 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Totally awesome comment. I'll be sharing those vital lessons via that story with my children this very evening. Thank you so much for sharing your time and wisdom. Best Regards...
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    Darkcrusade 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    One of my favorite dr s. is> Yertle the Turtle it tells the story of a turtle 'king' who has his subjects form a stack of turtles to serve as his throne. The turtles comply, first a stack of ten, then bigger, bigger and in classic Seuss style the stack grows to an alleged multiple hundreds allowing Yertle to be king of ever more things. Finally, however, one meager turtle, Mack, complains. He is at the bottom of the stack – he has been there the whole time, he is hungry, tired and imaginably uncomfortable. Yertle will not budge and instead calls for more turtles so he can be king over even the moon. many lessons to take from this 'childrens' story. 1) authority is never satisfied and always seeks to expand. 2) the subjects usually obey until the tipping point. 3) even the smallest member can bring down the 'king'. and more! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBB5LnCqFZY
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    G'day Sharon Secor, It is my opinion that gold and silver do not have "tangible, real value". I believe that they are merely a "perceived value", which, in my opinion, can be easily demonstrated by this. I suspect that in a hardcore SHTF scenario there will be a real scarcity of safe food, potable water, and adequate shelter (includes clothing); at that point in time what kind of "tangible, real value" will gold and silver have to you and your family? I think chasing after gold and silver may be a fools errand, but I could be wrong; there may still be individuals who prefer "shiny stuff" over real, tangible value. We've probably all seen movies where greedy individuals have a cave collapse on top them because they can't escape while carrying arms full of gold, silver and/or jewels that are weighing them down.
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    Sharon Secor 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    In truth, on that matter, I agree with you completely. I always advocate the purchase of nonperishable goods one will need, as opposed to spending a whole lot on gold and silver. I have the conversation frequently, and my typical line is this -- rich people buy gold, but poor people like us, our best bet is food, seeds, tools, etc. Far better to buy clothing and shoes in sizes your kids will grow into than hold a bunch of inflation eaten dollars. Another aspect of buying gold is... well, great you can buy stuff, but who's gonna have change for that gold piece? Now, as I was discussing with a friend last night, the point about the silver is this. If we choose to do business among ourselves, then our mode of trade is our business. If I ask him to build me a wall and decide I'll give him a pig and fresh bread weekly for 6 months, fine. If I offer him housecleaning and clothing repair for my wall and he accepts, fine. If I offer him silver in an amount we agree upon that's fine, too. What we agree upon for my wall is nobody's business but our own, and we'll do as we please, regardless of what the State says. The State cannot stop our private arrangements not today, not tomorrow, not ever. As always, I am pleased that you have taken the time to comment and I always enjoy reading your thoughts. Have a wonderful day.
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    And get a lawyer???????????????????
  • KenK's picture
    KenK 3 years 35 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    The best legal advice ever: STFU and get a lawyer. And yet people have to be reminded of it constantly.
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago
    Natural Law
    Web link Don Stacy
    According to Joint Resolution 175 of the 103rd Congress, "the phrase in the Declaration of Independence 'All men are created equal' was suggested by the Italian patriot and immigrant Philip Mazzei." http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=103_cong_bills... (Source: Wikipedia) Tutti gli uomini sono per natura egualmente liberi e indipendenti. Quest'eguaglianza è necessaria per costituire un governo libero. Bisogna che ognuno sia uguale all'altro nel diritto naturale. All men are by nature equally free and independent. Such equality is necessary in order to create a free government. All men must be equal to each other in natural law. ~ Philip Mazzei, The Virginia Gazette, 1774. (Translated by a friend and neighbor, Thomas Jefferson.)
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    Suverans2 3 years 35 weeks ago
    Natural Law
    Web link Don Stacy
    Since there is nowhere one can comment on the daily quotes here at STR, I decided that this was an appropriate place to do it. The quote on 3/19/2011 was attributed to the facist, Ezra Pound, "Liberty is not a right but a duty." Let us start with this, Ezra. Bullsh*t!! Liberty. Freedom from all restraints except such as are justly imposed by law. Freedom from restraint, under conditions essential to the equal enjoyment of this same RIGHT by others; freedom regulated by law. The absence of arbitrary restraint, not immunity from reasonable regulations and prohibitions imposed in the interests of community. Brazo v. Connecticut Real Estate Commission, 177 Conn. 515, 418 A.2d 883, 890. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, (c.1991), page 918 [Emphasis added] What "law" might that above modern definition be referring to? Well, that depends on what jurisdiction[1] one has consented to be under. If one does not consent to "submit himself to the dominion of a man-made government for the promotion of his general welfare and the protection of his individual rights" then he is a "man", (as opposed to a "person", i.e. a "juristic personality")[2], and is governed by the "law of nature", and he therefore has "natural liberty". Natural liberty. The power of acting as one thinks fit, without any restraint or control, unless [except] by the LAW OF NATURE. The RIGHT which nature gives to all mankind of disposing of their persons and property after the manner they judge most consistent with their happiness, on condition of their acting within the limits of the LAW OF NATURE, and so as not to interfere with an equal exercise of the same RIGHTS by other men. Burlamaqui, c. 3, @ 15; 1 Bl. Comm. 125. ~ A Dictionary of the Law (Black's 1st c.1891), page 716 [Emphasis added] This is the same definition, word-for-word, found in Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991) on page 918. Imagine that, NO CHANGE IN DEFINITION IN ONE HUNDRED YEARS. Because natural liberty is a natural right, a "just claim" that each of us has, each of us has the prerogative, individually, to exchange it for civil liberty, (which, of course, is a civil right, restrained and controlled by "human laws"), if we so choose. Civil liberty. The liberty of a member of a society, being a man's natural liberty, so far restrained by HUMAN LAWS (and no further) as is necessary and expedient for the general advantage of the public [the state]. 1 Bl.Comm.125. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 918 [Emphasis added] Allow me to take that out of context so that it may be seen more clearly, "The liberty of a member...restrained by HUMAN LAWS. ___________________________________________________________________________________ [1] "Jurisdiction, in its most general sense, is the power to make, declare or apply the law..." ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language The default jurisdiction, if one chooses not to consent to a man-made jurisdiction, is the "law of nature". This so because, "[The natural] law is the paramount law, and the same law, over all the world, at all times, and for all peoples; and will be the same paramount and only law, at all times, and for all peoples, so long as man shall live upon the earth." ~ Natural Law; or the Science of Justice by Lysander Spooner [2] Homo vocabulum est naturae; persona juris civilis--Man is a term of nature; person of civil law. Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1914), page 2136
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    Glen Allport 3 years 35 weeks ago
    Genesis
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    I agree. This is a sweet, short, fun read with a bite.
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    A Liberal in La... 3 years 35 weeks ago
    Genesis
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    :-)
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    GregL 3 years 35 weeks ago
    Genesis
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    Of course, everyone knows what's coming in parts 2 and 3, but tzo has a remarkable ability to make his point through simple well-told parables.
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    Suverans2 3 years 36 weeks ago
    Authority: God vs. Man
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    Very good, Doug Carkuff.
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    Darkcrusade 3 years 36 weeks ago
    Authority: God vs. Man
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    quote-- ''that we are living in our own “matrix” of illusion, a “through the looking glass” land of Drug Wars and real wars and homeland security where the way to peace is more war and where telling the truth is an act of treason." The whole article Well said(written). Some additions,that came to mind while reading this-in the USSA, Slavery is freedumb. The Gummint needs to invade Afganistan because 'they hate our freedoms.' Plus they need to build a central bank and vote in a king. Torture is 'blowing off steam.' Ten five pointed stars for you!
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    DWCarkuff (not verified) 3 years 36 weeks ago
    Authority: God vs. Man
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    Thanks for the comments, guys. My best, Doug
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    ard1984 3 years 36 weeks ago
    Authority: God vs. Man
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    You said it, man! You said it all!
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    Suverans2 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    G'day Paul, Here's, what I believe to be, some proof that the several STATES of the union have "officially subjected [themselves] to the dominion of the federal government". Federal agents raid medical marijuana businesses 6:28 AM, Mar. 15, 2011 "(Judge Lynch) authorized federal agents to come in and enforce federal law above state law[1]," Williams said. ...at least 10 businesses were raided across the state, including in Helena, Missoula, Belgrade, Columbia Falls, Bozeman and Billings. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ [1] Article VI, second paragraph, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis added]
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    rita 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Derek Henson
    What I'd like to know is exactly what the ACLU considers "evident justification" for torture. NO human being deserves to be treated the way Bradley Manning is being treated. The ACLU's letter, as is almost everything else they do, is too little too late.
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    Glen Allport 3 years 36 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    Good questions, Neil D. What to do? Famous investor Jim Rogers sold his $15 million NY apartment and moved to Singapore recently. If I had his level of money, I'd probably do the same. Or head to Argentina, or some other carefully chosen place. But the collapse might be slower and longer than I expect -- I happen to think a sharper, more violent collapse is likely but then this is a new situation, where the entire planet is using a single fiat currency as a reserve currency for each individual nation's OWN fiat currency. Plenty of other things are unique to our high-tech, enviro-collapsing, over-populated modern world, also. Some things look really good (exponential growth of solar power, for instance -- if it keeps up, we'll be able to run the whole damm planet with solar in just a few years. Doublling over and over again doesn't take long for that "oh my god" moment to happen). Other things look -- well horrible, as you certainly know. To be on the safe side, I'd assume the worst, in a Mad Max kind of way, at least to the extent that preparations don't wreck your life if the crash turns out to be less extreme. How to ward off despair? Focus on what is real in your life, and important. Family, friends, and whatever else has meaning for you. Do something to oppose the evil in this world. Build something, rather than destroy. Foster love and freedom wherever and however you can. Tragedy and hardship and tyranny have been the most common of human environments since the dawn of our kind; we are, in a very real sense, made to deal with what's coming. I'm certainly not looking forward to it (but then I'm more of a pessimist than I wish) but I am trying to appreciate living through -- at least for a while -- one of the biggest, most important transitions in human history.
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    GeoffreyTransom 3 years 36 weeks ago Page Per Bylund
    Hi there kenlefeb, Sorry to have taken an age to respond. The action that resulted in the large-scale truancy of Egyptian police on January 28/29th has been mentioned around the interchoobs in various places, but you will find it nowhere in the mainswamp media (there is no main 'stream' anymore; it is all swamp). It is mot something that TPTB like to advertise, lest it give folks ideas. I could furnish a list of the names of the few dozen Muhkabarat and undercover police who were the targets of the action - such a list would add nothing except perhaps a demonstration of my ability to generate plausible-sounding lists of working class Egyptians. The deniability of everything is a critical asset: a windbag bloviates on the interchoobs, and in doing so passes an encryption key to someone who needs it. The mechanism I outlined in the comment to which you replied, is chapter and verse of what went down: I contributed to conveying the practical aspects of implementing the theory (which owes a great deal to Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" from 1996) to the people on the ground who wanted to know how to put sand in the gears of the State's apparatus. It is a 'known known' (in Rumsfeld-speak) that government security agencies infiltrate all anti-government movements and either foment discord or attempt to entrap participants: at the very least they help ensure that key participants are rounded up before major operations can be organised. We see this with the fact that almost every major 'sleeper cell' bust undertaken to provide TV news with something to entertain the Mass Idiot, is actually a cell run by the FBI or some other such agency. Anyhow... infiltration by government agents happens everywhere, and folks like me help participants to identify possible infiltrators and deal with them as appropriate (you might be aware of several dozen UK undercover cops in the environmental movement who were outed recently - not my work, but a lot like it). As I have said elsewhere in the past, the OstEuropaische 'colour revolutions' that everyone was babbling about four years ago, required the same type of (ahem) interaction with the State machinery of oppression: back then it was harder to get the lists - the 'back-end' has improved substantially as the mechanisms have evolved. This project (and it is a project) has its roots way back in the late 1980s when a group of people took SEVERE umbrage at the French government's terror attack on the Rainbow Warrior. If you want to analyse 'final causes', read 'Underground' by Suelette Dreyfus (assisted by a younger Julian Assange). Cheerio GT PS imagine if someone had lists of the clandestine assets - covert operatives,. front companies, informants... foreign and domestic - of every major government from the US to Israel, Germany, France, etc. Such a someone (or group of someones) would have the ability to engage in a 'Plame War' (HA!) and rip the eyes out of any government that decided to try and 'crack down' on it. Let's just say that Anonymous (and darker Anon-related groups like Gnosis, Metanoia and Sofia) have more assembled talent than even the HBGary hack shows.
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    Glen Allport 3 years 36 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    Thanks very much for the information, NoMNoM. I knew that as government "incorporated" UL's (and other such firm's) standards, Ringo's Law would manifest itself, but I wasn't aware of the problems you described. Nor was I aware of the NFPA; I'll look into them and the subject generally before any new column that covers regulation, either directly or as an aside.
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    Suverans2 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    Some more recommended reading, regarding nuclear power being "..a proven source of energy...", for you, ProtoGoth. "Precisely because the stakes are so high and there’s so much room for unforseen things to go wrong, nuclear power is uninsurable on the private market."
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    Suverans2 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    This is what can happen to slaves, voluntary or involuntary, it matters not.
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    Suverans2 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    G'day Paul, First of all, that would not be "secession", by virtually anyone's definition[1]: "the act of withdrawing from membership in a group". (Source: Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page1351) What, precisely, do you mean by, "simply stop paying attention to the federal government"? And, what about the STATE OF WYOMING, which has officially subjected itself to the dominion of the federal government[2]; are you going to "simply stop paying attention" to it, too? And, again, in precisely what way will you "simply stop paying attention" to it? ___________________________________________________________________________________ [1] http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/secede http://www.yourdictionary.com/secede http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/secede http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secede http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secede?show=0&t=1300443910 http://www.wordnik.com/words/secede [2] Article VI, second paragraph, "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." [Emphasis added]
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    Paul 3 years 36 weeks ago Page Michael Kleen
    On further reflection, I should say there is a huge problem with the pragmatic approach that we haven't considered here. Michael writes, "He or she is willing to accept any advance, however small, toward his or her larger goals." The problem is with focusing entirely on the single issue. My example above was permitted CC leading eventually to permitless CC. All well and good, if that is all one is concerned about. Sure looks like an advance, eh? The problem is, while you are spending a lot of effort getting forward progress on this one issue, you are taking a beating everywhere else. So on net, you are not getting an advance. You have just invested a lot of time in a setback. Indeed, my monitoring of the situation, with the Wyoming Liberty Index, noted year after year 3 or 4 times as many liberty-harming bills as liberty enhancing bills. After a while, it doesn't matter that Wyoming passed permitless CC just recently. We are still worse off. What's the solution to this dilemma? I think revolution will be the end result, whether we try to be pragmatic or ideological.
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    Paul 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    I think it would be a little provocative, heh. A better strategy would be to not formally secede, but simply stop paying attention to the federal government (along with other measures such as arresting federal agents who are assaulting the people, such as happened in Montana lately with the drug busts). De facto secession, rather than de jure. This also does not have the problem that Suvarans noted, about those individuals not wanting to secede.
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    Andrew_M_Garland 3 years 36 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    People paid payroll taxes for thirty years to support those who had retired. They paid in more than was needed for those retirees. The government did not invest the extra cash; it spent it on government salaries and projects. Now, those people want to retire. To support them, younger people will be asked to pay FICA taxes at about double the previous rate, 24% instead of the current 12.4%. (You may think that the employer is paying 6.2%, but it all comes out of the production of the worker.) Those younger people will be wise to the scheme, and will wonder about who is going to pay for them. They may not like the idea that their savings will be vanishing, leaving them with only the option of extracting support from the next younger cohort of people. They may resist. Ponzy Schemes Like Social Security There is nothing real in the "trust fund". There is only a political promise to find the money somewhere that was paid in and already spent. The shortfall is about $15 trillion in today's dollars, about equal to the entire yearly income of everyone in the US. That promise is much more than what is recorded in the trust fund, which is itself only an unfunded promise. Medicare and Medicaid are much larger and equally unfunded, except by much higher taxes in the future, and not just on the rich. ObamaCare Bails Out Medicare
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    rita 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    "Police prevarication" -- what an interesting way to describe the routine perjury committed with impunity by those sworn, trusted and PAID to uphold the law. Jesus, they get away with murder; and you expect them to be honest -- why?
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    rita 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    As long as Big Brother was just beating up on inner city junkies, cocaine-crazed Negroes, long-haired Hippie war protestors, Spanish-speaking day laborers and Muslim fanatics, John Q. Public was perfectly content to turn his back, close his eyes and cover his ears. Now Big Briother is beating up on John Q. Public. I wonder if now Mr. & Ms. Public will get around to getting pissed off enough to speak up. Somehow I dolubt it.
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    Sharon Secor 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Well, a third party tester would only be used by those seeking an impartial result, I guess. Follow the money on this subject, it will lead you to interesting places/people.
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    Suverans2 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Well deserved. Notice that one of their spokespersons, Paul Eckerstrom, said this, "We actually want to stay in the union." Of course you do; after all, who would support your socialist programs if you didn't, Paul, you? Have a great day, Sharon Secor.
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    JoshuaPettigrew 3 years 36 weeks ago Web link Sharon Secor
    Another thing that bothers me about this is that apparently Rapiscan (the makers of many of the scanners) were the ones doing the tests. Why wouldn't you get a third party to test these things? This whole thing smells to me. Prediction: rosy stats will be released, but the truth will leak out when some big event is occupying the public mind.