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  • tzo's picture
    tzo 3 years 51 weeks ago
    Legal Obedience
    Web link Don Stacy
    Yes, I agree that one may delegate away rights completely and permanently if one desires. But it seems to me they remain his rights because if he ever changes his mind, it is his natural right to reclaim them. Do you believe that a lifetime contract of servitude should be enforceable? Even if voluntarily entered into, if the delegator of rights changed his mind it would become involuntary servitude. Can a contract justifiably enforce involuntary servitude? Per Rothbard, any contract that is based on a promise of future labor or goods is unenforceable, as a broken promise disappoints expectations but does not take anything from the "promisee." Frustrated expectations are not property trespasses. Of course if the "promisor (sp?)" accepted something up front in exchange for the promise, then he would owe the other what he accepted based on that promise. If I contract to give someone $1,000 in one year if he gives me $10 now, and I fail to deliver, I owe him $10 (plus interest, perhaps?).
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 3 years 51 weeks ago
    Legal Obedience
    Web link Don Stacy
    The above got posted twice, because STR was evidently down. And, rather than waste this space...(there's no "delete" option)... power (n.) c.1300, from Anglo-Fr. pouair, O.Fr. povoir, noun use of the infinitive, "to be able" ~ Online Etymology Dictionary Authority, literally means, the "condition or quality of being author"; and, what one creates, one has the right to control, which explains the STATE created personae[1]. Thus, one may simultaneously have the "authority", i.e. "the right to control", but not have the "power" to do so, i.e. not "...be able" to control. As Ron "Tater Salad" White so eloquently put it, "I Had the Right to Remain Silent...But I Didn't Have the Ability". And, the STATE can have the "power" to control you, without having "authority" to do so. As the so-called Declaration of Independence put it, "deriving their just powers [proper authority] from the consent of the governed". Now the question is, have you somehow given the STATE reason to presume that you have consented to be governed by it, perhaps by utilizing the persona[1] created, by the STATE, just for you? _____________________________________________________________________________________ [1] Artificial persons. Persons created and devised by human laws for the purposes of...government, as distinguished from natural persons. ~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 113
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 3 years 51 weeks ago
    Legal Obedience
    Web link Don Stacy
    G'day tzo, First question, who can one "loan" or "rent" his right to life, liberty and property to, if "all men" already have them? "All men have certain natural, essential, and inherent rights - among which are, the enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing, and protecting, property...", though it should be noted, and is self-evident, that some do not realize they possess them, just as you stated above. That said, I certainly do agree that one may "delegate" his "natural, essential, and inherent rights of defending life and liberty...and protecting...property". The only difference you and I may have, on this particular subject, is that I say that if these rights are "yours", you do have the authority to delegate them away, completely and permanently, if that is your desire.
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    newjerusalemtimes 3 years 52 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    The woman was in obvious neglect of the child, not for allowing her 10 year old child to ride one mile to school, but for allowing the child to ride it to a communized Public School, where the very first thing children are made to do is to Pledge Allegiance to an oppressive Death Cult.
  • tzo's picture
    tzo 4 years 8 hours ago
    Legal Obedience
    Web link Don Stacy
    I'm gonna go with LS here. Rights are inalienable because you always have first claim on them. You can "loan" them, "rent" them, or not realize they're yours, but the moment you know what they are you can rescind the delegation of them at any time. This power means that they are always yours and are inalienable, and cannot be contracted away even if you decide you do not want them, because you can always change your mind, and the other contracting party would have no choice but to return them. This pretty much make voluntary slavery contracts invalid from the get-go. This is why it is valuable for governments to make sure that people do not even understand that they possess such inalienable power, because sovereign populations do not get duped into believing that coercive governments are just organizations.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 16 hours ago
    Legal Obedience
    Web link Don Stacy
    "Lysander S. Spooner, one of America's great 19th-century thinkers, said no person or group of people can "authorize government to destroy or take away from men their natural rights; for natural rights are inalienable, and can no more be surrendered to government -- which is but an association of individuals -- than to a single individual"." I seldom disagree with Lysander, but I must make an exception here. Our natural rights, "rights antecedent to all earthly governments", are in-alien-able, (not in-a-lien-able). In-alien-able means, as 2nd President of the U.S., John Adams, so succinctly put it, they are "rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws", rights may not be alienated from the individual by human laws. On the other hand they do belong to the individual, to dispose of as he likes, and he can, therefor, "without committing a crime", choose to "surrender" them to either a corporation [government], or a single individual. What he cannot lawfully do, is surrender anyone else's natural rights without their consent; they are not his to "surrender", just as Lysander stated in the forepart of that quote.
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    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 1 day ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Glen, this perception is absolutely correct and has been the case for at least 3 decades. When I was teaching in the Detroit Public Schools for a short time, many of the teachers there would never have considered sending their own children to the schools they occupied. Most of these schools were infested with unqualified staff members and a panic mentality that infused them without relief. I'll never forget my first day as an intern (student-teaching). The school where I was posted was full of banners inside that were horribly misspelled. I later found out that they were prepared by the teachers, not the students! Furthermore, even though I was a history, Latin, social studies teacher, I was regularly posted teaching French (I spoke it well) and English. The unfortunate students at some of these school were never taught to compose essays that anyone would ever want to read. They had it drummed into them to compose paragraphs that followed a useless and stifling format consisting of a lead topic sentence, a middle section, and a summary sentence that recapitulated the preceding content. The result? A horribly repetitious cascade of words that were never capable of developing into anything but a of bird-cage lining. I recall having to fill out (the kids did it for me because it took so much time) three kinds of attendance -- to obtain funding of course from the appropriate sources! In addition, while a few of the schools at the time were well run, an east-side high school (Denby Senior High) regularly had as many as 50+ teachers absent. They were in fear for their lives, and they daily warehoused hundreds of students at a time in the auditorium because of the staff shortage. I was glad to shake the dust of that system from my feet, but I'll never forget how sad I was and how unhappy the students were who had made a human connection with me. I still think of those poor kids and what they were subjected to in the name of teachers' unions, overpaid administrators, and the obscene fraud that they were actually getting an education!
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    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 1 day ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Hi, Glen. Thank you for your kind words. It is significant that so many people within the voluntaryist community have been exploring the need for a program that comprises both the concept of love/empathy and the standard voluntaryist notion of liberty. I have received a great deal of satisfaction reading about your discoveries in this area over the past few years, and the existence of people like you, who understand the nature of this dual focus, has been an inspiration and catalyst. Several people from the local group here (which meets at Cafe Libertalia) have been investigating this possibility for the past 2 years. Until about 6 months ago, they attempted to work within a Sudbury group, but they discovered that many of the members have a tragic unmet need to feel secure by imposing democracy on the children in their schools -- even though they seem to understand the problems of doing such a thing and our reservations about them. It's only been in the last 6 months that we decided to go forward independently. We recently completed a detailed business plan and have been moving forward on a very intense schedule. The possible existence of a local Sudbury school may actually provide a "critical mass" of public awareness that will benefit the Summum Bonum Learning Center, and we have been able to keep on good terms with many members of the Sudbury group.
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    Glen Allport 4 years 1 day ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Another point: Public school teachers pay to get their OWN kids out of the public school system at about TWICE the rate that parents in general do. Search for "Public schools no place for teachers’ kids" at the Washington Times (from 2004 but still posted and worth reading). About 20% of public school teachers send their kids to a private school, and in some cities, it's as much as 44%. In other words, those who know public schools best -- from the inside -- are even more desperate than the general public to get their own kids out of our public schools.
  • Glen Allport's picture
    Glen Allport 4 years 1 day ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    This is a great series, Lawrence -- you are (in the spirit of STR) truly striking at the root. Schools such as Summerhill, Sudbury, and the coming Summum Bonum Learning Center address BOTH sides of the love and freedom duality: they create emotionally healthy kids who WON'T grow up to idolize some new Hitler or feel the need to crush scapegoats to avenge the pain they suffered from a repressive childhood, AND who naturally and easily respect the rights of others. Free and responsible kids become free and responsible adults: we'll never have anything like a sustainable free society without a LOT more such people. I look forward to seeing Summum Bonum grow and prosper.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 1 day ago Web link strike
    Well, duh? Having an ID makes children vulnerable to "ID theft", but it does not make them "victims of ID theft". But even if we correct that ridiculous statement, this is akin to saying that having toys makes children vulnerable to "toy theft". Ya think?! Only chattel property is numbered. chattel noun 1.a. a movable item of personal property, as a piece of furniture, an automobile, or a head of livestock 2. a slave If the cow [mother] and the bull [father] are both numbered, does it really matter if their calf [child] is numbered? I think not. The only reason the rancher [owner] numbers it is so that he can prove it is his property. Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man... Cognitive Dissonance "If things are too frightening and too threatening our brains tune it out, because it would affect our behavior, and it would be too painful to accept." ~ Dr. Nathan Hagens
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    Suverans2 4 years 2 days ago Web link Mike Powers
    "— there isn’t a single man, woman, or child alive who is not in violation of some obscure regulation or cannot be ‘suspected’ of wrongdoing." Wrong! (IMO) That should have read "— there isn’t a single person alive who is not in violation of some obscure regulation or cannot be ‘suspected’ of wrongdoing." Homo vocabulum est naturate; persona juris civilis – Man [woman or child] is a term of nature; person of civil law. ~ Bouvier’s Law Dictionary (1914), “Maxim,” page 2136
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    Suverans2 4 years 2 days ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    "...while possession of small amounts of marijuana isn't a criminal offense, "publicly displaying" marijuana is. During stop and frisks, when police ask suspects to empty their pockets, the marijuana becomes visible. That allows for arrest for "public display"..." Someone should advise those agents to also strip search the suspects and then they could charge them for "public indecency", as well. More revenue that way.
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 4 years 3 days ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    Kinda hard to have much sympathy for the kind of people who would just stand there and watch state thugs kidnap their children.
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 4 years 3 days ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    CSI is great propaganda for the government. As to reality, your chances of finding justice in the criminal "Justice System" are pretty slim. This has interesting implications in the arrest phase...
  • KenK's picture
    KenK 4 years 4 days ago Web link Westernerd
    I doubt if this would be possible in the US but it is an inspiring example of participatory democracy.
  • KenK's picture
    KenK 4 years 4 days ago Web link Westernerd
    Not a bad article but it needs more historical analysis.
  • KenK's picture
    KenK 4 years 4 days ago Web link Westernerd
    Screw Glenn Greenwald.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 4 days ago Web link Westernerd
    “when a murderer is hanged, there is only one person at the ceremony who is not guilty of murder.” ~ George Orwell It is nearly impossible, for me, to imagine a more ridiculous statement! But, then, it is about what I'd expect from someone who reportedly wrote to Cyril Connolly from Barcelona on 8 June 1937 stating: "I have seen wonderful things and at last really believe in Socialism, which I never did before".
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    Samarami 4 years 5 days ago Page Westernerd
    "...Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts..." http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm
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    Samarami 4 years 5 days ago Page Westernerd
    Nice work, Robert. A month or so ago I became mesmerized by a piece I read by Delmar England. http://www.anarchism.net/anarchism_insanityasthesocialnorm.htm It is long, and it took extensive sorting through questionable grammar and sentence structure and punctuation, etc.; but once I made the effort the message became clear, as is yours. Here's a quote: "...Will of God, will of the people, public welfare, constitutional rights, natural rights, national interest, ought, should, gross national product, for the good of the country, the values of society, minority rights, morally right, immoral, race relations, community standards, freedom and democracy, altruism, selflessness, government does, majority rule, freedoms, fighting evil, on and on and on unto infinity. "... This is but a partial list of concepts commonly accepted and frequently uttered. This is the vernacular of oppression with which our senses are inundated without let up from birth unto death..." I think it was Stefan Molyneux who said on one of his videos: "...Enforcement of statism does not come from (agents of) the state. Enforcement comes from fellow slaves. And that is the genius of (agents of) the state..." And even Stefan with his knowledge, I believe, fell victim to "reification" (to regard or treat an abstraction or idea as if it had concrete or material existence), which Delmar England insists keeps most of us in oppression. Thus I've inserted "agents of" the state, since states do not exist except in abstraction. Sam Sam
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 5 days ago
    View to a Kill
    Web link Michael Kleen
    “when a murderer is hanged, there is only one person at the ceremony who is not guilty of murder.” ~ George Orwell It is nearly impossible, for me, to imagine a more ridiculous statement! But, then, it is about what I'd expect from someone who reportedly wrote to Cyril Connolly from Barcelona on 8 June 1937 stating: "I have seen wonderful things and at last really believe in Socialism, which I never did before".
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    mkghandi 4 years 6 days ago Web link Mike Powers
    None of them are going to do any remedial learning in business or economics. They are selling their influence to the highest bidder. It is not visible to the average Joe because the media puts a curtain around it. These people don't need to know anything about business or economics. Their sponsors--the people who buy their influence know all anybody needs to know about economics and business and politics too. Congress gets plenty of 'help' in making economic and foreign policy. MKG
  • Glen Allport's picture
    Glen Allport 4 years 1 week ago Page Glen Allport
    I second that, Suverans2. And I'll add that my response to Paul's last comment should have included an acknowledgment of his idea that "how the message is presented is important" and that people basically don't want to hear about their own emotional damage. (My response was, I fear, a bit snarky and defensive). So I agree with Paul's pont, and at the same time I think it's important for more people to understand that unlove and other trauma to children HURTS them, and that THAT is a major reason why the world is in such a mess and that liberty is hard to find and erodes back into tyranny every time. Knowledge (in this case of the cause of neurosis and other psychopathology, and of their role in tyranny) is a critically-important tool for improvement, AND, at the same time, many (most?) people shy away from the topic, because it is inherently painful. This argues, again, for multiple approaches from multiple people who understand the paradigm but explain it in their own way; when enough discussions on the topic of liberty AND compassion are taking place, when enough people hear the phrase "the Doctrine of Love and Freedom" and have been exposed to at least some of the framework by different writers and speakers -- some of whom "click" for them even if others don't -- then we'll be on our way to improvement.
  • Glen Allport's picture
    Glen Allport 4 years 1 week ago
    New Money
    Web link Michael Dunn
    It isn't just that Wall Street and other connected people and entities get the money first (and thus can spend it before this inflation of the money supply is reflected in price inflation) -- the main problem is that those feeding on the ocean of new fiat dollars would have to be doing something truly productive -- something that citizens would pay for voluntarily -- if all this new cash wasn't being created and then spent or given away BY GOVERMENT. Almost the entire military-industrial complex would vanish -- we'd have a real defense, not a bizarre globe-spanning aggressive empire-style military presence and a weapons budget higher than the GDP of many nations. The whole inflated bureacratic tyranny we now endure is only possible because the Fed creates, and the government spends, money far beyond what even our crippling tax load could support.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 1 week ago
    Let's Get It Over With
    Page Paul Hein
    Ya gotta love that "sincere and abject" apology!!!
  • newjerusalemtimes's picture
    newjerusalemtimes 4 years 1 week ago Page Glen Allport
    Nice one, Glen Allport articles at S-T-R are my favorites! Peace be with you all, Christian Livingstone
  • Lawrence M. Ludlow's picture
    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 1 week ago Page Glen Allport
    Thanks again, Glen.
  • Lawrence M. Ludlow's picture
    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 1 week ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Hi, Debbie. Please stop by our table; we'd love to visit with you! Hail, Libertopia!
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 1 week ago
    Let's Get It Over With
    Page Paul Hein
    Actually, Paul Hein, the one they call Jesus 'reportedly' said, at Mark 9:40, "For he that is not against us is on our part [side]," and at Luke 9:50 "Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us". And, for those of us who wish only to be left alone, i.e. not forcefully imposed upon, this is just fine. "The collectivists are eternal enemies of all religions, because they recognize that if people have a religious faith they have a loyalty to something other than the STATE, and collectivists do not like that, the STATE must be all. The state must be religion, the people must literally worship the state as their salvation, and some of the earlier writers, on this topic, have even said so in plain English, that collectivism must become the new religion of man." ~ G. Edward Griffin _____________________________________________________________________________________ "Consistent with this reasoning, out of more than 1,500 distinct cultures throughout the world documented in The Encyclopedia of World Cultures, only 19 contain any reference to atheism. Not only do these 19 cultures exist far outside of our ancestral home in the African savanna, but all 19 of them without an exception are former Communist societies. There are no non-former-Communist cultures described in The Encyclopedia as containing any significant segment of atheists." ~ Satoshi Kanazawa
  • Debbie's picture
    Debbie 4 years 1 week ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Laurence, I'll be at Libertopia speaking on unschooling. I'm looking forward to learning more about this new venture. It sounds great!
  • Glen Allport's picture
    Glen Allport 4 years 1 week ago Page Westernerd
    Nice column, Mr. Taylor! People have been systematically mislead about the nature of capitalism -- and many other important things. Saying the truth, getting the facts out there for people to see and consider, is terribly important. I particularly liked this: ". . . most examples that critics of capitalism cite as excesses and abuses are not the results of market forces, but government intervention . . ." Excellent point! Nearly every bad thing people complain and worry about "the market" doing is actually done -- directly and indirectly -- by government. Corporatism, for instance, is just corporations making use of government coercion for their own benefit. Most of today's "regulation" is exactly that -- corporatism -- rather than anything that protects consumers or the environment. Very often, this "regulation" is directly harmful to consumers or to the environment.
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    Peter McCandless 4 years 1 week ago
    Let's Get It Over With
    Page Paul Hein
    Paul, your "apology" has half the sincerity but twice the humor of what could be found on a typical episode of Monty Python.
  • Michael Kleen's picture
    Michael Kleen 4 years 1 week ago Web link Don Stacy
    Why on earth would conservative, big business forces want to "hijack the concept of anarchism"?
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    jd-in-georgia 4 years 1 week ago
    Let's Get It Over With
    Page Paul Hein
    For any politician to make a comment on a "hatred of God" is most hypocritcal. The difference between a politician and God is that God does not believe himself to be a politician.
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    Gwardion 4 years 1 week ago Web link Don Stacy
    Probably one of the worst articles on anarchism or anarcho-capitalism that I have ever read. It was so riddled with assumptions, inaccuracies and just flat out crap, that the only thing i can use it for is an examination into the mind of an "anarchist" who doesn't understand that voluntary market exchange is the basis of anarchy. I think the guy that wrote this article needs to read the STR article put up today about the Orwellian altering of the meaning of words to displace proper political debates.
  • Lawrence M. Ludlow's picture
    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 1 week ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Thanks, golefvre. Those mind- and spirit-numbing camps are so dismal. As a school-age kid, I only had one teacher that made a connection -- and not for the reason she would have thought. She seemed to actually view us a real people.
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    golefevre 4 years 1 week ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Time to abolish compulsory schooling too! Impressive ideas Lawrence. I wish you all much success with this endeavor!
  • Lawrence M. Ludlow's picture
    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 1 week ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    We're trying to "break the cycle" of statism with this approach. It fits in with Glen Allport's "Doctrine of Love and Freedom" scenario. With this approach, we're hoping for fewer "broken" children. It's time to connect the dots...
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 1 week ago
    Iraq's New Death Squad
    Web link Jad Davis
    And, who are the "bad guys"? Anyone who disagrees, resists or opposes, them or their master(s); "They are just like us". "Accusations of human rights abuses, killings and politically motivated arrests have surfaced, including assaults on a university president and arrests of opposition politicians."
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    Suverans2 4 years 1 week ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    They called that shut down off, partly because Anonymous hacked into BART's system. By the way, we finally have a photo of some of the members of Anonymous.
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    Suverans2 4 years 1 week ago
    Natural Law
    Web link Don Stacy
    ...the natural law is fundamental to human existence... ~ C.S. Lewis According to Clive, it is the "deep magic" that everyone knows.
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    rita 4 years 1 week ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    Yawn. Johnson didn't invent anything -- the public's so-called "right to safety" has been used for years as an excuse for the systematic annihilation of both 2nd and 4th Amendment "rights." It's not a right if someone can take it away.
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    jd-in-georgia 4 years 1 week ago
    Inferno, Part II of II
    Page tzo
    Tzo, As usual, your words do not promote emotion or reaction. They only promote ideas and thinking. Outstanding.
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 4 years 1 week ago Web link Mike Powers
    Thanks, Co Op. I remember once I bartered 2 pk K ration smokes in a Korean village for a much needed Ernie Pyle hat that the supply chiefs simply couldn't get, or so they said. I was freezing my ears off (not to mention my butt) in that miserable place**, and the mama-sans saved my bacon. Best .40 I ever spent (I think a carton of smokes at the PX was around a buck -- that would be a silver buck, of course -- at the time, but I gave all my ration stamps away). Sam ** IT was not a miserable place, I should correct that. US infiltration was miserable in what was a gentle, friendly village of farm folks trying to stay out of the line of fire. I had no business being there intruding upon their way of life; and, although a draftee, I would have found a way NOT to be there had I known what I know today. Sam
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 4 years 1 week ago
    Ron Quixote
    Page Mark Davis
    Mark: Thanks for posting this link over at HaleBobb. Although you wrote it 4 1/2 years ago, it is perhaps more poignant today at the outset of the 2012 dog and pony show as it was in 2007. I must have been "off the air" at the time. Sam
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    cooperativesing... 4 years 1 week ago Web link Mike Powers
    In WW2 a single pack of cigarettes was used for the purposes of barter. It changed hands many times with it's final purchase being a home. This seems to indicate the extremely addictive nature of tobacco as it relates to human nature.
  • Mark Davis's picture
    Mark Davis 4 years 1 week ago
    Inferno, Part II of II
    Page tzo
    This is a classic tzo. Well done!
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 4 years 1 week ago
    Inferno, Part II of II
    Page tzo
    Tzo: This is belated, but I've been "off the air" for a time. Your essay, particularly part II, is the best I've read. Hands down. You've put lucidity into what I've wanted to say, have tried to say, have rather clumsily said not a few times. The idea that I am not "required" to "be a citizen" -- to lend my name to the crimes of an egregious beast -- is freeing once comprehended. I'm gratified to know I do not need to emigrate away from those I love -- my family, my colleagues, my friends -- to be free. I have no need to migrate to, say Costa Rica (Inferno in the making??), nor to petition agents of state (ambassadors, consulates) for "official" permission to leave or arrive anywhere. I can declare myself a sovereign state. I can be free. Sam
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 4 years 1 week ago Web link Mike Powers
    KenK, there was no mention of "constitutional arguments" in that story. And, to maintain continuity of thought, you should have, in my opinion, written, "A "right" you can't exercise without being rousted isn't a right". Unfortunately, it would still have been just as untrue a statement, however; just because the bully-in-the-schoolyard is capable of taking your lunch money, does not mean that you do not have a "just claim" to it, i.e. a "right" to it. ________________________________________________________________________________________ roust ...2 informal treat roughly; harass : the detectives who had rousted him the night of the murder ~ Oxford Dictionaries