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  • tzo's picture
    tzo 2 years 48 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    I have read a few articles relating to this subject, and I have noticed that the majority of comments come down on the side of the government. Public safety, contaminated lemonade, no exceptions, etc. All they need to do is hype one case—real or fabricated—of people getting salmonella from a lemonade stand and you'll see just about all the rest of the sheep swing over to the side of government. So considering the publicity this issue is currently receiving, I would not be surprised to see a lemonade-stand salmonella hoo-ha before the end of the summer. The "government knows best" meme shall not be challenged.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 48 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Her Dad should have posted a caveat emptor sign on her lemonade stand, you know, to warn would-be-buyers; "This LEMONADE STAND has not been inspected by the HEALTH DEPARTMENT, and this four-year-old girl did not, and WILL NOT, apply for a PERMIT. FREEDOM-LOVING INDIVIDUALS, LINE UP HERE".
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 48 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    The title of this article, alone, should serve to clarify, in most people's minds, the difference between "civil" and "natural" rights, unless, of course, one believes that simply because they are a member of the human race they have a just claim to a "free cell phone". Disclaimer: This, of course, does not apply to individuals who believe they have no "just claim", i.e. "right" to anything.
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 48 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    I wonder how much of this is fueled by Big Brother's desire to keep an eye on people? (That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Some petty bureaucrat must have realized that millions of poor people were walking about without personal tracking devices.)
  • Emmett Harris's picture
    Emmett Harris 2 years 48 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Protecting the public from non-approved thirst quenching.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 48 weeks ago
    The Right to Travel
    Web link Michael Dunn
    G'day Michael Dunn, Firstly, you may want to edit your tag lines a bit better, incorrect spelling (crimainal, priveledge, dauhter, e.g.) detracts from credibility. The author of this article quotes the Free Enterprise Society: "Government, in requiring the people to file for drivers license, vehicle registrations, mandatory insurance, and demanding they stop for vehicle inspections, roadblocks, etc. are restricting and therefore violating the peoples’ common law right to travel." Correction: I believe that if you check into it, your government requires persons to apply for driver's licenses...and is therefore not violating the peoples’ common law right to travel. Homo vocabulum est naturae; persona juris civilis – Man is a term of nature; person of civil law. – Bouvier’s Law Dictionary (1914), “Maxim,” page 2136 Then this author quotes this, presumably as part of his defense of the "right to travel": "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the 5th Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125. And, who gets to decide what "due process of law under the 5th Amendment" is??? That's right, the fox guarding the hen house does.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 48 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    "Authority is yours to delegate or to keep, and no one can [rightfully] take it from you. Revoke your delegation of authority..." ~ tzo [Emphasis added] Declaration of Independence Formal Notice of Individual Secession Secession. The act of withdrawing from membership in a group. ~ Black’s Law Dictionary, Abridged Sixth Edition, copyright 1991, page 940 When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for a man to dissolve the bands which have connected him with a body politic, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Law of Nature and Nature’s God entitle him, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that he should declare the cause(s) which impel him to the separation. ″We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that [is to say] they are endowed by their Creator with certain Inalienable Rights″[1], "rights which can never be abridged because they are so fundamental"[2], that among these Natural Rights are Life, Liberty, and justly acquired Property, "together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can"[3]. To secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men[4], deriving their just powers from the Consent of the governed, – and whenever any Government becomes destructive of these Inalienable Rights, every man has the Lawful Authority to Withdraw his Consent, and to return to the separate and equal station to which the Law of Nature[5] and Nature’s God entitles him. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be Seceded from for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that men are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by Withdrawing from the governments to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to Secede from such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of this Man; and such is now the necessity that constrains this Man to Secede from this Government. The history of the United States Government, rather than securing, has a record of repeated injuries to, and usurpation of, Man’s Inalienable Rights, all having as their direct objective the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over men. I, Robert Wilfred, therefore, being a Lawful Man, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of my intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the Creator of the heavens, the earth and the seas, and all that in them is, solemnly publish and declare, this Man is, and of Right ought to be, Free and Independent, that he is Absolved from all Allegiance to the United States, and any and all States under the authority of the United States, and that all political connection between him and the aforementioned States, is and ought to be Totally Dissolved; and that as a Free and Independent Man, I have full Power to Arm and Protect Myself, my Loved Ones, and my justly acquired Possessions, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Trade, Possess Land, Travel Freely and to do all other Acts and Things which Free and Independent Men may of Natural Right do. ******************************************************************************** [1] Excerpted from: The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America [2] Black’s Law Dictionary, Abridged Sixth Edition, copyright 1991, page 1057 [3] "Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; secondly, to liberty; thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can." ~ Samuel Adams, signer of the American Declaration of Independence [4] “Our legislators are not sufficiently apprized of the rightful limits of their power; that their true office is to declare and enforce only our natural rights . . . and to take none of them from us. No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another; and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him . . . and the idea is quite unfounded, that on entering into society we give up any natural right.” ~ Thomas Jefferson (c.1816), author of the American Declaration of Independence [5] The law of nature is superior in obligation to any other. It is binding in all countries and at all times. No human laws are valid if opposed to this, and all which are binding derive their authority either directly or indirectly from it. ~ Institutes of American Law by John Bouvier, 1851, Part I, Title II, No. 9 Notice to the Agent is Notice to the Principal; Notice to the Principal is Notice to the Agent Amen and amen. Authors Signature ________________________________ First Witness ____________________________________ Second Witness __________________________________
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    JoshuaPettigrew 2 years 48 weeks ago Web link Michael Dunn
    Adam Curry on the No Agenda Show podcast this past Sunday claims to be in possession of some classified TSA docs that were passed to him. According to him, TSA employees only get four hours of training for this! Four hours!!
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 48 weeks ago
    Fourth Ammendment
    Web link Michael Dunn
    I'm not making excuses for the professional perverts, but honestly, why are so many Americans still flying? And why, oh why would ANYONE bring a child to an airport?
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    Samarami 2 years 48 weeks ago Page Alex R. Knight III
    Good article, Alex! "...Put your shoes on then, if you will. Liberty, our destination, awaits..." There are a few of us here who have already done just that. We've declared ourselves sovereign. Make no mistake: we did not petition parasitic state agents for "our freedom". And we did not move to Vermont -- or is it New Hampshire??? -- (then keep on referring to "our founding --or is it foundling --fathers" with tears of patriotism in our eyes). We just became sovereign. The State (employees thereof, since "The State" is an abstraction) immediately became just like the guys and gals who lurk in dark alleys intent upon mugging and robbing -- pains in the ass if you let 'em get the drop on you; but relatively harmless if you take such necessary precautions to avoid them whenever possible. But all the Ron Pauls in Texas could not pursuade us to go back into the voting and election games put on by state factotums to create the illusion of "consent of the governed" among the masses. Freedom is not that illusive. Sam
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 48 weeks ago Page Alex R. Knight III
    "We need only walk away from the leviathan in sufficient numbers, and it will fall, never to return." ~ Alex R. Knight III Good luck on the "no violence", "sufficient numbers", and "never to return". At the risk of sounding very negative and with all due respect, Alex R. Knight III, I believe history shows us that the Powers-That-Be will seldom, if ever, truly give up their seat of power, with "no violence", just look at our own so-called Civil War; also, I fear that if we wait for "sufficient numbers", "the end of all such constructs" may never happen, which is why Gandhi said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world", and lastly, "never to return" is, in my opinion, only a "fantasy".
  • Lawrence M. Ludlow's picture
    Lawrence M. Ludlow 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    Thanks again, Tzo, for hitting the nail on the head without bruising nearby fingers.
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    Lawrence M. Ludlow 2 years 49 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    Glen, thanks for putting together another presentation of the libertarian-love connection. It might be interesting for you to follow in the coming months a new school project that we libertarian/anarchists (not LP) in San Diego are pursuing. It is a form of learner-directed school that emphasizes internal motivation instead of rewards and punishments. On FaceBook until we build the web site, we have a group called Summum Bonum Learning Center (https://www.facebook.com/groups/191576390889811). It is a new kind of alternative school we are planning here, and I believe it is unique in the learning and libertarian communities. It is an alternative school that uses much of the good aspects of the Summerhill and Sudbury schools, but without the coercive democratic voting aspects of both. The principals are all libertarians and trainers and former educators. Like you, we are deeply interested in healthy psychological perceptions and communication -- including the observations of the non-violent communication method of Marshall Rosenberg (http://www.cnvc.org/). I'm putting together the business plan, which will be revealed at Libertopia in San Diego here in October 2011 (http://libertopia.org/). Like you, we have found the toxic psychological crippling of our society affects libertarians just as much as the coercivists of the left and right, and our group at Cafe Libertalia, which hosts a weekly Mises Mondays discussion, has many members that are hip to nonviolent communication. It's good to see so many people getting hip to this perception.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    G'day rita, I still fail to see why you say, "The only people prohibition was ever meant to protect were paranoid whites from the minorities they oppressed and certain politicians from well-deserved obscurity." I am currently of the opinion that "prohibition" of drugs is to "protect" high drug prices [1], since a blind man can see that that is precisely what the so-called "War on Drugs" does. The product is difficult to acquire or produce, dangerous to handle or not easily available legally, if at all. If goods are illegal, such as some drugs, their prices can be vastly inflated over the costs of production. ~ Wikipedia "Prohibition" obviously does not stop the selling, buying, or using them, (as anyone with half a mind can learn from the history of the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution). It may, in fact, have the opposite effect; it may encourage it, particularly with the so-called "minorities"[2], due to the high profits. ____________________________________________________________________________________ [1] "The United Nations has reported that the retail market value of illegal drugs is $321.6 billion USD." [2] I believe that the "paranoid whites" are actually the minority race of the world population, and slowly(?) becoming the minority race of the Unites States.
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    Yes, Suverans, I suppose I was. I should have said "the prohibition of drugs, including that 'noble' experiment, alcohol prohibition."
  • AtlasAikido's picture
    AtlasAikido 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    I am reminded both by Rita and you--Suverans2 of this: Thaddeus Russell tells a renegade tale to Lew Rockwell. Professor Russell’s new Renegade History of the United States speaks volumes to the eternal conflict between those who hold power and all the ordinary peoples. The Founding Fathers wanted the British regime without the King. The wonderfully anarchic culture in the colonies alarmed them to the core [including the drinking and carousing in the pubs] of the whites and non. The abolitionists, who were deeply Puritanical, felt that slaves were too free in some ways, and Reconstruction was the first Afghanistan – the push of New England to control the entire world. Thad Russell sees Obama as the throwback to the worst of the Progressives, desiring total control over peoples’ lives. Meanwhile, the regular left misses or ignores the dark side. "Thaddeus Russell has broken free of the ideological prisons of Left and Right to give us a real, flesh-and-blood history of America, filled with untold stories and unlikely heroes. No waving incense before the sacred personages of Washington, D.C. here. This wonderful book follows the best American traditions of iconoclasm and – what is the same thing – truth-telling." ~ Thomas E. Woods, Jr., author of The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History| http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2011/01/26/184-the-founding-... PS For them who followed in the footsteps of the control freaks it's ALL about "controlling" us. They can and do print money but rather rape the pension funds of those who work for them in addition. Why? Because they are plain vicious!
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Ron is banging his head against the wall, but I did find myself laughing and applauding.
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    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    G'day rita, "The only people prohibition was ever meant to protect were paranoid whites from the minorities they oppressed and certain politicians from well-deserved obscurity." ~ rita You lost me there, rita. I have no idea how "prohibition" was, (or is), "meant to protect...paranoid whites from the minorities they oppressed and certain politicians from well-deserved obscurity". Are you referring to drugs, as if that is the only thing your government "prohibits" you from doing? Exactly? Withdraw from membership in the group. "We the People, living under natural law, do have the [natural] 'right' to secede from ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT and will continue to do so until our last breath." ~ sc 1000 "I would suggest using the Declaration of Independence as a good place to start....just update the text with modern phrasing [and personalize it] and insert appropriate examples of tyrannical abuses. Whether or not an armed conflict would result, would depend on the players involved." ~ Tuppence [Bracketed information added] _______________________________________________________________________________ Quotes taken from: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161120.0
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    The only people prohibition was ever meant to protect were paranoid whites from the minorities they oppressed and certain politicians from well-deserved obscurity. That nonsense about protecting me from my own choices can easily be disproved with a little research into the nature of illegal drugs -- most of them are neither dangerous nor addictive -- and drug arrests, most of which involve a drug that has never, ever killed anyone and a level of violence that would be unacceptable from American soldiers in any other part of the world. That said, please explain exactly how one "leaves the circus."
  • AtlasAikido's picture
    AtlasAikido 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Jad Davis
    Re: John deLaubenfels's "I've watched Kevin Carson get more and more outlandish in his condemnations of IP, but this has GOT to take the cake. I guess, according to Carson and his wild-eyed friends, I'M a murderer, because I support copyright. What incredible nonsense!" John brings up the issue of what IS productive and what IS destructive? And takes it personally. Is he a "murderer"? Or intellectually dishonest or still catching up with new ideas? He does not state what in the article makes him--John--a murderer? But then he does not support his assertion but leaves it out there--by implication--that it is "incredibly" obvious. Let's talk about "copyright" since that's what he refers to (I thought the article was about "patents") but he did not address that. Either way I will touch on both. I am not in the fashion industry but I do enjoy the open ecology of creativity--innovation and its modeling--that results from NO copyright. And the riffing off the zeitgeist process. Elevating things to cover our naked bodies into something considered art... Sort of mundane? Perhaps let us proceed a little deeper.... Johanna Blakley studies the impact of jokes, food, automobiles, furniture, magic tricks, hair, open source, tattoos, fire works, rules of games, and the smell of perfume on our world. Compare the Gross Sales of those NON-IP industries Vs those with Intellectual Property. It aint pretty. One could say pretty ugly! "How a world without copyright would exist”? http://www.ted.com/talks/ johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture.html Two different mindsets. Two different worlds. Nothing is absolutely original--we all ultimately stand on the shoulders of others--yet this turns out to be tremendously freeing from confusions about Independence and Dependence and what is actually productive and what is not (It does require some thinking....) Which leads into embracing Emulation... If You Believe in IP, How Do You Teach Others? Mises Daily: Monday, November 16, 2009 by Jeffrey A. Tucker http://mises.org/daily/3864 But if John think's Food and Autos are no big deal Then oh well...live and let live. Please go ahead and continue practicing copyright IP as it is, in the face of the emergence of alternatives that are Feeding and Transporting the world w/o IP. Next thingy on the subject of the article. Patents Want to say a walnut is good for you? No way! It cannot be patented so shut the fuck up says the FDA! It is good for too many things. Walnuts Are Drugs, Says FDA http://lewrockwell.com/tennant/tennant42.1.html If you think it's just walnuts that the FDA has a problem with watch them snack on this man's achievement and the terminal cancer patients he HAS brought back from the death sentences and worse (if that is possible). This is what big pharma PATENT hungry govt/biz Statism has wrought. This goes back to the 70's. June 22, 2011 Fighting Cancer, Inc. Posted by Lew Rockwell on June 22, 2011 08:44 AM Stanislaw Burzynski, MD, PhD—a Houston physician and biochemist—has saved the lives of many "terminal" cancer patients through alternative treatments. Naturally, he was targeted by the FDA, agent of big pharma. This is his amazing and inspiring story. The movie, btw, is very much worth watching. (Thanks to Marian Tiberiu Vintilescu) http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/ archives/90136.html Cheers! PS So let us add to the evidence presented by Kevin Carson on IP and the "murder"--if there is malice aforethought--of a division of labor society (which consist of individuals)....
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Bitcoin Cannot Fail
    Web link Mike Powers
    Thank you, Greg.
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    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    The "connection" most "bozos" don't see, (or refuse to see), is this: Que sentit commodum, sentire debet et onus. He who derives a benefit from a thing, ought to feel the disadvantages attending it. 2 Bouv. Inst. n. 1433. Care to guess what one of the main "disadvantages" is? "Allegiance", which is, "Obligation of fidelity and obedience to government in consideration for protection that government gives." And, to complete the circle, a major part of the "protection" that "government gives", is ____________? You guessed it, "prohibition", which is really not much more than "protection" from yourself, in an effort to make your life "bozo-proof". Obedience. Compliance with a command, prohibition, or known law and rule of duty prescribed. The performance of what is required or enjoined by authority, or the abstaining from what is prohibited, in compliance with the command or prohibition. So, if you are tired of being a "bozo", leave the "circus". ;)
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Incompetence At Best
    Web link Westernerd
    The destruction of human life and liberty isn't an "unintended consequence" of the drug war -- it's the WHOLE POINT. Of course our so-called "leaders" don't want it to end. It's giving them exactly what they want.
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Westernerd
    Since when did the "Journal of Liberty" have a drug exclusion? What an absolutely revolting article. Maybe I'll keep it around in case I ever ingest poison and need to induce vomiting.
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Food Tyrants
    Web link Westernerd
    "The progressive campaign against obesity relies on the assumption that the individual no longer owns his or her own body" HELLO! Can you spell "prohibition"? Can you spell "drug war"? How about "mandatory substance abuse treatment"? For decades, the vast majority of Americans have sat in fat, dumb, happy silence while literally millions of us were harrassed, arrested, imprisoned and gunned down in cold blood on the assumption that "society," aka "our government," owns our bodies. Oh, but threaten to take away their Quarter-pounders, and listen to them wail. And you think even one of these bozos sees a connection? Not freakin' likely. This would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Westernerd
    Found a quote by Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones that rita will, no doubt, agree with. lol “I’ve never had a problem with drugs. I’ve had problems with the police.”
  • GregL's picture
    GregL 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Bitcoin Cannot Fail
    Web link Mike Powers
    Suverans2, I'm no expert either, but FWIW here is the way I understand it: 1) You can continue to store the bitcoins you have on local storage media 2) But network connectivity is necessary so that the bitcoin transactions can be confirmed as valid 3) If the global internet were shut down temporarily then bitcoin transactions could resume as soon as the internet or parts of it were restored 4) If the global internet were shutdown permanently, then confirmation of bitcoin transactions could occur over some other kind of network (e.g. Freenet) as long as some part of the communications infrastructure remained intact - Greg
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Michael Kleen
    I sometimes wonder why people like Roth allow themselves to be disarmed by cretins like these. Perhaps he has a family and needs to support them, but at some point people are going to have to say "NO!"
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Where's My Contract?
    Page Paul Bonneau
    "I'm aware that they still have to interface with state school officials in submitting to testing (all grandkids test far above mean "normal" scores), allowing "inspections", etc." Actually, they don't. There are an awful lot of "noncompliant" homeschoolers out there. On the homeschooling email list I frequent, newbies often come on asking how they can get right with the state. I always ask them why they would want to do that. I point out to them that many homeschoolers on the list who registered wish they hadn't, but none who refrained wish they had. I told them I considered the raising of children none of the governments' business, and they might try looking at it that way. I also of course point out penalties for noncompliance are very mild and almost never applied (to my knowledge). Sometimes it makes sense to wait until they put a gun to your head before complying. It keeps in mind our fundamental relationship with the state, a coercive one; we should never forget it. And a lot of the time they never get around to it. Let's not willingly enslave ourselves for their benefit.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Thank you.
  • Mike Powers's picture
    Mike Powers 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Half way to universal distrust of Congress.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Bitcoin Cannot Fail
    Web link Mike Powers
    I am admittedly ignorant about all this, and as a result I have these questions. Last summer, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) introduced a bill that proposes what many have called an Internet "kill switch" for the U.S. The bill, which is expected to be reintroduced this year, requires Web companies and Internet providers to comply with the U.S. government and gives the president the authority to shut down the Web in a national cyber emergency. http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/egypt-internet-switched-off-happen-us/story?id=12786160 "In the face of mounting political unrest, Egypt took the unprecedented step of severing all Internet connections and shutting down its cellphone services—with the cooperation of international firms." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703956604576110453371369740.html Based on the preceding information, could this be done world-wide, by the PTB; and, if so, would this, in effect, cause Bitcoin to fail?
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Half way where?
  • Emmett Harris's picture
    Emmett Harris 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    54% of respondents live off the victims of theft, otherwise known as taxpayers.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    Delete double-post.
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    Thank you, Tony Pivetta.
  • Tony Pivetta's picture
    Tony Pivetta 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    Non-Aggression Principle. I fully embrace the NAP, even if citizenship in the NAP territorial monopoly of non-force eludes me (even as coerced citizenship in the American territorial monopoly of force saddles me yet).
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    The primary practical objective of the juristic study of natural law is to propose rules or practical principles that, if followed by human beings, are likely to maintain, strengthen and restore respect for the natural order of the human world. They are the principles and rules of justice. ~ Natural Law by Frank van Dun, Ph.D., Dr.Jur. - Senior lecturer Philosophy of Law
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    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    Paul, what is NAP? Having been in sales in my former life I am familiar with Dale Carnegie's training, but I can't recall the acronym NAP.
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    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    G'day jd-in-georgia, Some things that some individuals may not know about that verse you quoted. First, according to Noah Webster (c.1828) the etymology of the word "kingdom" is, [king and dom, jurisdiction.] Secondly, the VERY FIRST definition Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament gives for the Paleo-Greek word, kosmos, translated "world" in that verse is "1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government". Thus, Jesus [sic], in my opinion, was telling Pilate, the Roman procurators of Judea, that his authority was not of[1] Pilate's "jurisdiction", in other words, that his authority did not come from the Roman "government". And, for the record, my authority does not come from the United States Government or any of its franchises. __________________________________________________________________________ OF, prep. 1. From or out of; proceeding from, as the cause, source, means, author or agent bestowing ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 2 years 49 weeks ago
    EMPs
    Web link Michael Dunn
    A bunch of hogwash. The 2011 version of the "missile gap". The ruling class will try anything to get our attention focused on anything but them.
  • rita's picture
    rita 2 years 49 weeks ago
    EMPs
    Web link Michael Dunn
    So say "many Senators, Congressmen and terrorist experts" -- well who wouldn't belive THEM? It's not like they've ever lied to us before, right? Right?
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 2 years 49 weeks ago
    Caveat
    Page tzo
    I know Molyneux has made an attempt to build a proof of natural law, but I am not entirely satisfied with what he has done and his critics are pretty convincing that he's not succeeded. It's well worth the study, but the fact is, the world IS based on "might makes right". Always has been, right back to the dawn of life. We humans (some anyway) would like to get away from that, and it might even happen that some day virtually all will live by something better. But for now and a long time to come, it's merely a theoretical exercise. I don't take it as a given that there "exists a set of objective, ethical rules that can be discovered". I think there might be, and life would be better if there were and if people adhered to them consistently, but I don't think life would end if it were not possible to prove them. Some obvious rules of thumb already exist (NAP, stuff Dale Carnegie has written for getting along with other human beings, etc.) and that may be as good as it gets. And that is pretty good, maybe good enough. Even if there is a proof out there, 99.99% of the human race will never understand it. They can grasp a few rules of thumb though.
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    jd-in-georgia 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    I really got a kick out of the "What would Jesus cut" reference. This alone should send up a red flag for Chistians. After all, Jesus told Pilate, "My kingdom is not of this world." Personally, I do not need government telling me how to show charity. Government charity is earthly charity and is now as it always has been, doomed to fail. Why? Because real charity is freely given and not taken from one to be redistributed to another. (My comments do not necessarily reflect ideas and opinions of STR or the readers of STR, but my last sentence speaks volumes, regardless of one's beliefs.)
  • Suverans2's picture
    Suverans2 2 years 49 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    "One cannot remain an anarchist and take part in...government." ~ Carl Watner "Take part in...government" seems to mean, to Carl, at least, that One can maintain membership in, and be entitled to, the privileges doled out by the government...so long as One "does not vote" or "compete for a position of power". I put forth, that if One hasn't withdrawn from membership in the body politic, then One IS "a player", and IS already in a "position of power", regardless of whether One utilizes that "power" or not, i.e. whether One votes or not. If, however, One's vote does not have the "power" to "alter or abolish" the government, as some here contend, (with which I agree), then One withholding his or her vote is a virtually meaningless act. And, I can only begin to imagine some of the interpretations "...or support the players of the game in any other way" might engender, so I will stay away from that can of worms, for the time being.
  • GregL's picture
    GregL 2 years 49 weeks ago
    The Oslo Attacks
    Web link Westernerd
    Geoffrey, Thanks for your interesting and informative reply. You make several points that I hadn't considered before. - Greg
  • GeoffreyTransom's picture
    GeoffreyTransom 2 years 50 weeks ago
    The 'Muslim Menace'
    Page Jim Davies
    The brutal fact is, unless you're prepared to tie yourself in logical knots, the primary works of all the major religions are palpably hogwash. We are all atheists when it comes to the other guys' gods - which means that the average religious person is only one god away from an actual sensible view of things. By all means, wonder at the beauty of nature: I'm all for that, be it a bunch of mountains or the unmistakeable evidence of intelligence in the eyes of an orang-utan. But if you then want to appropriate the role of sole interlocutor with some putative higher power: fuck you and the ass you rode in on. The other thing I find abhorrent about religious types is that - at root - it is about worship of power. If HWHY didn't have the ability to kick serious ass, nobody would be cutting the end off their cock to appease him. (Srsly - is that even a thing? It's retarded). Douglas Adams may not have coined the term 'the fundamental interconnectedness of everything', but the first time I read that phrase was in a book of his ("Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency") - I am absolutely open to the possibility that we are all wi-fi enabled, but some of us are out of range of the router or have the wrong password.... or that there are multiple routers. What I am NOT open to, is the idea that from the hundreds of quintillions of stars in the tens of billions of galaxies that we are aware of, the 'Creator' chose our ludicrously tiny ball of rock. And I am even LESS open to the idea that he chose an incestuous Mesopotamian goatherd to father the Master Race, in exchange for cock-snippings-in-perpetuity (plus burnt offal, blood sprinkling on the altar, a campaign of genocide... and the sine qua non: mindless obeisance). And given the (sensible) idea that the fruit of a poisoned tree is not to be trusted, anything that derives from that story is ipso facto to be rejected. And if that makes baby Jeebus cry, then no doubt he can call in a predator Drone strike to generate some more blood for his lunatic Dad. One last word on the 'fundamental interconnectedness of everything'... whoever maintains the router for the likes of Blair, Cheney and Sarkozy needs to have their admin password hacked.
  • GeoffreyTransom's picture
    GeoffreyTransom 2 years 50 weeks ago
    The Oslo Attacks
    Web link Westernerd
    Hi Greg, BitCoin and Tor have a HUGE impact on the viability of "Liberty Pools", in the same way that they have helped 'Silk Road' undermine drug prohibition. It's still early days, but it's clear to me that legislation cannot make demand disappear - it can only raise prices and risk premia - and as a result, there will be a proliferation of pseudonymous payment processes as the market develops. They (the pools) existed before BitCoin and TOR, but payment mechanisms were necessarily convoluted, involved multiple middle-men who facilitated transfers, and were prone to fraud and infiltration by 'law' enforcement... but they did function satisfactorily for those who did the appropriate level of due diligence. In fact Jim Bell's original tract - entitled "Assassination Politics" - required (and forecast) the existence of pseudonymous untraceable payment mechanisms. (And people should be aware, pseudonymity and traceability are two VERY different things. Likewise, TOR does a very good job of obfuscating the origin of data - but if the data is unencrypted, exit node sniffing can extract it). In reality, AP/LP is simply a system of private bounty: and I notice today that George Monbiot has backed a pool for the citizens' arrest of Tony Blair: there is $10k ion the kitty, sourced from donations which were optionally-pseudonymous. Although I support the idea of LP/AP, it does require careful handling given the absence of the requirement for an evidentiary basis for establishing pool. (Some pool managers differentiate between OrgA pools - which have evidentiary bases - and OrgB pools, which are simply 'hit' pools and often have only one bettor). The reason I say that caution is required: prices for 'adverse life events' (ALEs) are plummeting. Back in the 1980s, that sort of thing was really costly unless you were inside the 'wrong' social milieu: anything from $15k upwards, and no less than $2k for a severe beating (e.g., broken nose/ribs/knees/hands). These days those costs have fallen by 2/3rds (put simply: there are a lot of violent people out there who enjoy the opportunity to pursue violence as a paid career). As the risk premium embedded in these markets is driven to zero, the price of any ALE will fall to the marginal cost of its provision - which is equal to the amount of cash required to fund travel and so forth, plus a small premium to overcome the perpetrator's squeamishness. That is a VERY low number: the final payment to the actual perp in most non-lethal ALEs is of the order of $300 - and that has been the case for two decades... the rest of the money goes in risk premia and margins to middle-men. To use a different example: I am not one of the Chicken Littles who think that legalisation of drugs will cause an explosion of demand (the demand curve will change, of thatI am certain - but so will the supply curve)... but even if it did, it would be people doing things to themselves. However if there was an explosion in demand for ALEs in response to a fall in the price, the system will be used to enable cheaper AGGRESSIVE violence (as opposed to defensive or retributive violence - both of which I support). That said, the prime user of aggressive violence in our society is the State, and it already has the lowest cost base - it foists the costs on the victims of its violence. Cheers GT
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 2 years 50 weeks ago
    The 'Muslim Menace'
    Page Jim Davies
    All are a menace except for the likes of thee, and me... ...and I'm not so sure we should trust thee. Sam
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    Samarami 2 years 50 weeks ago Web link strike
    Absolutely. Declare sovereignty. Don't be impressed (or intimidated) by phony "big bucks". Sam