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    Jim Davies 4 years 38 weeks ago Page Mark Davis
    Mark, I share your liking for the comforts brought by technology, but it seems to me you haven't answered WhiteIndian's valid question, "What is 'non-coercive government' other than a contradiction?" If a social system is non-coercive, it's not proper to call it governed. If it has a government, then by definition it coerces. This is binary, because words have meaning. If Mr Wright is referring to social cooperation such as is used by corporations etc, he ought not to use the word "government." It is possible he used this contradictory phrase to arouse curiosity, to get the book browser to give attention. If so I'd say that's less than honest. It's also possible he likes the ideas we espouse here, about a society of self-governing individuals, but cannot see how one might be achieved and so wants to modify that objective. In that case please refer your friend to my 2006 STR article "How We Can Get There."
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago Page Mark Davis
    You've listed technologies used by Non-State societies for millions of years before domestication-agriculture-civilization-warfare-sacrifice. Evidence for fire is 9,000,000 years ago. There is archeological evidence of humans sailing blue water 800,000 years ago. I'm not against technology, per se, and neither are most primitivists.* But technology after the emergence of domestication tends to be harnessed into increasing the control of the control-freaks, or "emergent elite" or "Big Men" as anthropologists call them in the field's literature. Do the accounting yourself. Play two hours per day in the woods -- or drudge-away 14 hour per day for The Man and washing your shirts and cleaning and ironing and on and on and on. There's nothing "romantic" about the Original Affluent Society. (Sahlins, 1974) It's a scholarly analysis of empirical data gathered by anthropologists/ethnologists studying paleolithic people, like the Bushmen, in the field. They spend most of their day in leisure, telling stories, gamboling, sleeping. All of these recently discovered facts debunk the premises upon which people apologize for agricultural city-Statism (civilization.) It doesn't matter or not if I can or even want to live the life-style; the civilizationist's premises are proven invalid, just as a Biblical Literalists premises are proven invalid by empirical data that constitutes the theory of evolution. As far as living or wanting to live a Non-State society lifeway -- it's impossible, at least for now (although a fast collapse, like a nuclear war, would certainly create another "stone age.") The agricultural city-State (civilization) has been extremely thorough in its invasion and occupation of nearly every square meter of earth's surface. Living out in the woods, alone, signing "A Country Boy Can Survive" isn't living with a knowledgeable tribe or band on a Landbase that has abundant resources unruined by totalitarian agriculture. But neither can one ignore the Critique of Civilization. It's promises are illusory, it makes us sick and reduces quality of life. Just knowing that much has helped people today become healthier by eating a "Paleo diet." __________________________ * Isn’t it hypocritical of primitivists to use modern technology? If they want to live primitively so badly, why don’t they just run off into the woods already and do it? 26 October 2005 5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong by Jason Godesky http://www.rewild.info/anthropik/2005/10/5-common-objections-to-primitiv...
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    Mark Davis 4 years 38 weeks ago Page Mark Davis
    I'm curious how you feel about making a fire for warmth and cooking? Are matches used for "concentrating wealth and sociopolitical control to the hierarchical elite" or should we still be using flints? What about using fishing polls or nets? Or axes for chopping wood? These are all technological advances that make life easier for individuals. "Playing in the woods for two hours per day to feed oneself" sounds a bit oversimplified and romantic to me. Have you ever even been camping much less hunting or fishing? For longer than a weekend? I know of some country boys that are squatters/roamers down in the Everglades that live just like you say you wish to do: free from the perils of civilization (except they're smart enough to have guns, boats, clothes and fishing polls which you could forsake if you wish); so since it is possible then why don't you live as you preach?
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago Page Mark Davis
    Playing in the woods about 2 hours per day to feed oneself, as Non-State societies did in the Original Affluent Society (Sahlins, 1974), is a far cry from grinding-away 8+ hours for The Man and then having to do all the rest of your living on your "free time." How is exactly is technology "easing burdens?" It's not. Technology isn't about easing burdens as much as it is concentrating wealth and sociopolitical control to the hierarchical elite. Technology mainly means building bigger and better Pyramids for the Pharaohs. And even more efficient management/taming of the labor force. Alf Hornborg documents this observation well in his "The power of the machine: Global inequalities of economy, technology, and environment." http://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/o.o.i.s?id=12683&postid=538663 Being that government is a monopoly on violence over a geographic area, "non-coercive government" seems as ever hopeful as conjuring animated corpses. I suppose Zombies are possible with just the right application of technology too. James Axtell has a whole chapter in the following book describing White Indians, as follows: The Invasion Within: The Contest of Cultures in Colonial North America by James Axtell Oxford University Press http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/HistoryAmerican/ColonialRe... The White Indians of Colonial America by James Axtell The William and Mary Quarterly, Third Series, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 55-88 Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture http://www.shsu.edu/~jll004/colonial_summer09/whiteindians.pdf
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    Mark Davis 4 years 38 weeks ago Page Mark Davis
    Humans certainly are capable of using technical knowledge and tools such as nut and bolt machines to ease our burdens, indeed to prosper. I didn't say humans were machines. Noncoercive government is basically a free society organized around the principle of equal freedom. I suggest that you read the book to gain a better undrstanding of the concept. And what is a "WhiteIndian" other than a contradiction? I am curious how you rationalize using the Internet on a computer powered by electricity from a mechanical generator while promoting a roaming hunter-gatherer society? Do you appreciate the contributions of the scientists and engineers that created these modern tools? Do you believe that humans would have these wonderful tools today if social organization never evolved beyond humans roaming around looking for low hanging fruit and small animals to kill?
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago Page Mark Davis
    Techno-salvationist social engineering = libertarianism. "...technical manual...rocket scientist...nuts and bolts of human interactions..." Human just aren't technical nut and bolt machines. And what is a "noncoercive government" other than a contradiction?
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    painkilleraz 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Michael Dunn
    Typical, the only ones with guns are the ones we SHOULD fear!
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    Suverans2 4 years 38 weeks ago
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    G'day Mark Davis, Yes, and I apologize for not heeding my own advice. :( I too found some of it interesting, in fact some of it even parallels my own thoughts on the subject. But, as I wrote some time back, (and now edited a bit): "So, when will [we] be allowed to "gambol about plain and forest", you may rightfully ask? Why, that's simple, when the e-vile ACS "civilization" has completely collapsed, and at least three-quarters of the earth's human population is dead, and all knowledge of growing our own food and domesticating animals has been completely lost." Because, if this basic knowledge is not "completely lost" we will eventually end up...right back where we are today, because, as you put it, the "basic human desire [is] to improve one's lot in life". The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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    Mark Davis 4 years 38 weeks ago
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    Don't worry Suverans2, STR will survive and move on after it becomes evident to WI that nobody pays attention to what he says anymore. I found his Neanderthal model for social organization interesting at first and still appreciate some of his insights and links to essays on how civilization has evolved. Unfortunately his goal appears to be to create chaos on this board while avoiding any direct challenges to his shallow thinking. It is very broad, but not as deep as he seems to believe. The premise that civilization and the state are synonymous doesn't get you very far. The ideal of humans living forever as free roaming hunter-gatherers is refuted by his precious empirical evidence as well as the basic human desire to improve one's lot in life; but that pales in comparison to the hurdle of de-evolution required to take us back to the (pre-?) stone-age. This scenario would, of course, require the death of billions of people, so he keeps dancing around our pointing out this psychotic desire.
  • WhiteIndian's picture
    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Michael Dunn
    He writes: "...for...natural aristocracy ... contemptuous of egalitarianism..." That is as contradictory, and revealing, as saying, "I'm for natural polyester, and contemptuous of wool." First, egalitarianism IS natural. Humans have evolved to be egalitarian, as evidenced by low sexual dimorphism (on the level of penguins) and zero sexual dichromaticism (as compared to the red ass baboon.) For starters, see Christopher Boehm's "Hierarchy in the Forest: The Evolution of Egalitarian Behavior," (2001) published by Harvard University Press. Second, only in an egalitarian Non-State sociopolitical typography have anthropologists observed humans to be "autonomous and sovereign" individuals "who bow to no external political leaders." (Service, 1975) Egalitarianism means equal sociopolitical power. That is, no one Lords-it-over anybody else. Jefferson was quite egalitarian with his famous "all men are created equal" phrase. Egalitarianism = the greatest personal freedom. Unfortunately, I've learned that Libertarian types are like young-earth creationist types when it comes to empirical data that debunks their dearly held delusions. And Libertarians hold their delusions so they can hold hierarchical power and Lord-it-over other people. Funny thing is, they love Lording -it-over others, but don't much like it above them. And write vast volumes how that contradiction should be able to work, even though it never does. Seems they'd check their premises against a bit of scientific literature, but they never do. _________________ Elman R. Service (1975), Origins of the State and Civilization: The Process of Cultural Evolution. New York: Norton. NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper/cf_3333/Non_State_and_State_Societies.pdf
  • WhiteIndian's picture
    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago
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    Left/Right "false dichotomy" applies to Communism/Capitalism. Both agricultural city-Statist (civilization) political schemes annihilate Non-State society where people live as "autonomous and sovereign" individuals "who bow to no external political leaders." Both enforce a brutal hunt-gather-forage lockdown and ruthlessly restrict gamboling about plain and forest. Marx/Mises Axis of Gambol Lockdown = yet another example of the Left/Right "false dichotomy."
  • WhiteIndian's picture
    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago
    It's Magic!
    Page Paul Hein
    Don't forget the "invisible hand" magicians. A city-Statist hoard collectively and brutally invades a Land, perpetuates a 300 year long Trail of Tears and genocide, collectively forms government divide the land into states and estates, and collectively build vast arrays of roads and canals, huge drainage projects and irrigation projects. And then the moochers divvy up the loot, and dare call it --*POOF*-- "Private property!" Voila! Excuse it all with --*POOF*-- "homestead principle" and "mixed labor!" Abracadabra! Mises' system of capitalist agricultural city-Statism (civilization) is built on as huge a pile of skulls and blood and permanent violence to continually enForce the whole scheme as Marx's system of communist agricultural city-Statism (civilization.)
  • WhiteIndian's picture
    WhiteIndian 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Jerry J Brown
    Agricultural city-Statism (civilization) draws artificial Borders to Regulate the free movement of Non-State societies from gamboling about plain and forest, and also slaughters those Non-State people when they try to live their lives as "autonomous and sovereign" individuals who "bow to no external political leaders." (Service, 1975) But libertarians denigrate Non-State society, and laud such Land enTITLEments from city-Statist big-government as the foundation of their freedom — then sit around bellyaching why they don't feel free. P.S. When you've got enough government to enForce agricultural city-statist Fences, don't be surprised if you don't feel a bit fenced in. "The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said 'This is mine,' and found people naive enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody." ~Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on the Origin and Basis of Inequality Among Men and A Dissertation On the Origin and Foundation of the Inequality of Mankind
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    Suverans2 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Jerry J Brown
    Very good article. One criticism. Ron Kaufman wrote "Television is advertising. It is a medium whose purpose is to sell, to promote capitalism." I believe it would be more accurate to say, "It is a medium whose purpose is to sell, to promote consumerism".
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    Suverans2 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Jerry J Brown
    Exactly! To "legalize", according to Black's 6th, means "to add the sanction and authority of law to that which before was without or against law". Liberty needs no "sanction and authority" added to it.
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    Jerry J Brown 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Jerry J Brown
    It's a step in the right direction. There's ideals, then there's reality. Few of the liberties we lost will come back easily or quickly. And only with a lot of work.
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    Suverans2 4 years 38 weeks ago
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    Oh, groan, now, I suspect, we have trolls supporting trolls. If there are any legitimate anarchist/libertarian members left at this alternative news website, it will be a wonder. And, there most certainly won't be any new ones. Is this the ultimate goal, I wonder? I do realize that this comment will earn me the "paranoid, conspiracy theorist" title from the foppish whores of the STATE, [watch 'em come out of the woodwork], but as Craig Hulet put it, "When they call you a conspiracy theorist, it means you are closer to the truth than they want you to be.". ;)
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    Paul 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Jerry J Brown
    "Legalized regulation" is not liberty.
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    karren 4 years 38 weeks ago Web link Westernerd
    There's nothing surprising about this statistic, marijuana is a very popular drug, it has a lot of supporters. I am not one of them though, I've learned my lesson the hard way and I had my second chance in a bay area drug rehab, I am clean for three years and I plan to stay this way.
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    Evan 4 years 38 weeks ago
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    If WI, or any other dissenter, is banned then I will lose a lot of respect for STR.
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    Suverans2 4 years 39 weeks ago
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    It's called "proprietary interest"; Rob presumably pays for this domain, so he has the natural right (a "just claim") to refuse service to anyone he wishes, and for any reason, or no reason at all. "Free world" doesn't mean that someone can move into your home and take over.
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    livefreeretiree (not verified) 4 years 39 weeks ago
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    Protecting your own property is not tyranny... jesus...
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    AtlasAikido 4 years 39 weeks ago
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    What remains of the dear readers on this site are posting messages on the guest editor thread (essentially its basement) because the rest of the site has been jammed by a malware troll on a computer. Removing it has nothing to do with a biological creator nor defeat of the free market but I digress... It would appear that an analog to this troll situation is "Nomad" in "The Changeling". Nomad tells Spock that its mission is to "find and sterilize imperfection". Since Nomad's definition of imperfect includes all living things, it travels from [site to site I mean] world to world, sterilizing everything and everyone (except itself). Though repulsed by the machine's words, Capt Kirk decides to play along with Nomad's mistakes...and tells Nomad not to "sterilize" anything further... One way to shut down the troll before it shuts down this site completely is to access deny and ban it.
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 39 weeks ago
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    Hmmmmm. No room for diversity of opinion in the STR social? If the Ideals promoted in the cyber-space of STR won't work ,without resorting to the gun in the room(Banning White-Indian).................... than this is an effort in futility and has no chance in the real-world. To even suggest Banning someone already screams defeat. How is that translated into the free world veiw?
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    AtlasAikido 4 years 39 weeks ago
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    I recommend that WhiteIndia be banished from this community. He is not here to debate or trade ideas but to tie up this site in all the ways he has already shown. Ultimately his evidenced failure to execute his primary function on himself/his data is a dead give away. (Because his own data issues are just a set piece ruse). His primary directive is setting up the climbing up of vertical walls when there are clearly stairs. example abound of he the unnecessary testing of others but never himself or his data. The trolls subterfuge is exposed and now understandable. Some clues: WhiteIndian's--self admitted--separatness from its own biological anthopological data units is illogical. But not if he has dishonest intellectual intentions. His failure to discover his first error is a second error and his refusal to correct these errors is a third error And clue. Ultimately evidenced failure to execute his primary function on himself/his data is a dead give away. (Because his own data issues are just a set piece ruse).
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link Guest
    2A = Egalitarian Clause of the Constitution. (Try that on a liberal friend at a party tomorrow night!) Humans evolved to be egalitarian, and only in an egalitarian Non-State society do humans behave as "autonomous and sovereign" individuals who "bow to no political power." (Service, 1975) The early agricultural city-Statist (civilization) settlers from Europe greatly admired the egalitarian nature of the Non-State tribes and bands they observed, and this rebellion against hierarchy carried into Jefferson's "all men are created equal." It also destroyed the hierarchical divine right of kings in France and gave that country the banner of "liberté, égalité, fraternité." Much of this egalitarian Non-State band and tribal influence is documented in anthropologist Jack Weatherford's Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World. It's no wonder that anthropologist Elman Service observed that "Many people living in non-state societies enjoy lifeways that a number of Americans seem intent on reinventing—such as close association with the land, small group size, and emphasis on oral traditions." It's a real shame that so-called "libertarians" and "anarchists" have such a dim view of egalitarianism. Only with equal sociopolitical power can there be liberty. If there is hierarchy, that means somebody is Lording-over somebody else. It reveals the hidden intent of those who, against clear evolutionary evidence, purport that egalitarianism is a revolt against nature: they want to Lord over others. These smooth-talking economic "social dominator" types cleverly whitewash their hierarchical intent in a toxic mimicry of freedom. I no longer am fooled by their scheme.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Is the Divine Right of Property any less religious? "To date, however, no philosopher has ever successfully divorced Lockean property rights from monotheism." The Right to Property by Jason Godesky | 18 July 2005 http://rewild.info/anthropik/2005/07/the-right-to-property/
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    tomcat 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Followers of the Abrahamic religions all have their "holy" Books full of bizarre rules about allmost all, even minor aspects of daily life.Since these rules are given by God, they should of course apply to all human beeings. In cases of doubt and in the Interest of the individual Prejudiceses, exegesis is mostly performed against basic commandments like loving each other, or the Ban of Stealing and Killing. Eat some pork chops and drink a Glass of Wine, as a Man put on a women's dress or just do some gardening on a Sunday Morning, all this in the visual range of a faithful believer, and you will see how easy it is to create a serious Stress test for the non-aggression principle. Tolerance or, even more, Respect for People that dont want to listen to their invisible friend is, in most cases, not the Chief Virtue of a true Christians, Moslems or Jews.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Domestication (control-freaks' War on other species) leads to War (control-freaks' Domestication of our own species.) Before domestication, there was little human violence. "The current literature consistently reports that until the final stages of the Paleolithic Age— until just prior to the present 10,000-year era of domestication—there is no conclusive evidence that any tools or hunting weapons were used against humans at all." ~John Zerzan The Origins of War http://www.scribd.com/doc/20298938/Zerzan-The-Origins-of-War
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    AtlasAikido 4 years 39 weeks ago
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    The following post shows on the side bar but not in the body of the article link below. And I cannot update the like the author's button on the last page the same article. http://www.strike-the-root.com/jay-stuart-snelson-mighty-influential "WhiteIndian *METHODS* have been attacked for good reason (as opposed to the details. But even that has been seen thru by the author of the article on this thread and others.....) Let ALL reflect on his use of strawmen, context dropping, intellectual dishonesty in place of refutation and actual debate. http://www.strike-the-root.com/vision-of-free-society-1 Now this issue of trolls would make a proper subject to address. I think that others have provided good summation of why WhiteIndian fits this bill. His arguments have been seen thru...did he expect me to let him walk into this camp (yes I live in the wilderness, I doubt he does but I care not). It is hilarious to see someone who speaks about subjects and assumes and assumes yet is such a self congratulatory tender foot... His methodology has been shown for what it is...He is a troll. That is NO common ground for me. Now please think about it for a moment. Say dear reader WhiteIndian appears on your proximate horizon and starts his evidenced ways in your camp...What will you do hmmm? Will you pretend that his purposes are peaceful? Well, there is an answer for that. Now I think WhiteIndian has a taste for rabbit food...That is not my problem".
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    The hierarchy of control-freak dominionism is the same between Christians and Capitalists (including libertarians.) • JEVOVALLAH (The Invisible Hand) • EMERGENT ELITE (Kings, Industrialist Heroes) • MAN (owns everything below) • WOMAN (submits to husband (less now, but still cultural) • ANIMALS (submit to husbandry) • NATURE (worthless unless used up by hierarchy) "No new set of basic values has been accepted in our society to displace those of Christianity. Hence we shall continue to have a worsening ecologic crisis until we reject the Christian axiom that nature has no reason for existence save to serve man." ~Lynn White, Jr., The Historical Roots of Our Ecologic Crisis, Science, New Series, Vol. 155, No. 3767 (Mar. 10, 1967), pp. 1203-1207
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    This reminds me of a truth learned sometime before. That i'am pleased to share. http://markofthebeast.embassyofheaven.com/tramp.htm "What, hast thou come to see how Antichrist tortures men? There, look, he has locked them up in a cage, a whole army of them. Men should eat bread in the sweat of their brow. And he has locked them up with no work to do, and feeds them like swine, so that they should turn into beasts." "What is he saying?" asked the Englishman. Nekhludoff told him the old man was blaming the inspector for keeping men imprisoned. "Ask him how he thinks one should treat those who do not keep to the laws," said the Englishman. Nekhludoff translated the question. The old man laughed in a strange manner, showing his teeth. "The laws?" he repeated with contempt. "He first robbed everybody, took all the earth, all the rights away from men, killed all those who were against him, and then wrote laws, forbidding robbery and murder. He should have written these laws before." Nekhludoff translated. The Englishman smiled. "Well anyhow, ask him how one should treat thieves and murderers at present?" Nekhludoff again translated his question. "Tell him he should take the seal of Antichrist off himself," the old man said, frowning severely; "then there will be no thieves and murderers. Tell him so."
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    painkilleraz 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    Repeat comment
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    painkilleraz 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    Well said WI/ and yes agreed...what I have realized with time is that all forms of state regardless their name are the same in the end. And all forms of state based "philosophy" i.e. capitalism, etc., tend to be the same. I would that we had the classic "free market" and were simply voluntaryist/individuals- nothing more.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 39 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    Capitalism is Collectivist Social Engineering that destroys Non-State lifeways. American Capitalism has COLLECTIVELY: 1. Forms governments to kill off Non-State natural inhabitants 2. Aggressively invades and occupies the Land 3. Collectively builds mass systems of roads 4. Collectively builds mass systems of drainage systems 5. Collectively builds mass systems of irrigation projects. And then, the mooching TAKERS divvy up the loot amongst themselves, and call it... "Private" Property. Even Ayn Rand let it slip that the invasion and occupation was a violent TAKING of land. "[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to TAKE over this continent." ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974 Read that again: The RIGHT. To TAKE. Wow, some honesty, finally! And there you have Capitalism, in plain words, un-whitewashed.
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    Suverans2 4 years 40 weeks ago
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    Web link Don Stacy
    "Natural law never went away those who ignore it will (are) continuing to experience the consequence as witnessed [by] the slow motion collapse of all the western financial systems." ~ AtlasAikido Not to mention, and more importantly, by the slow motion collapse of all 'civilized'[1] society. "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature." The natural law of the human world "is the science of peace; and the only science of peace; since it is the science which alone can tell us on what conditions mankind can live in peace, or ought to live in peace, with each other." ~ Lysander Spooner _______________________________________________________________________ [1] civilized adj. ...humane, ethical, and reasonable ~ American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
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    zygodactyl 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    White Indian, I have great interest about many things that you have been writing about recently. Please contact me at zygodactyl_1@stovermo.com and please also tell me if you happen to live in the mid-west.
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&feature=player_embedded
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    KenK 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    A real post collapse business opportunity would be to stockpile the means necessary to manufacture popular ammo calibers for sale or trade. And the odd or wildcat calibers on a custom basis. I know a few people that have offered to load ammo for friends on a cost plus basis in exchange for money or trades. It can't really be much of business opportunity (for now) because insurance costs and legal liabilities prevent it from being profitable except on an industrial scale. A 1000 rd. lot of 7.62 NATO ball ammo in trade for medical treatment, homemade whiskey, or bushels of corn is totally feasible. Or would be. Given that scenario it would really make you consider the true utility or value of a .44-40 or 7.65mm handgun even if it is a classic like a SA Colt revolver or a German-made Luger.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    The Hebrew Tanakh, (Christian Old Testament) was plagiarized from Ugaritic clay tablets,* excavated from 1929 to 1970 in Syria. The 'ol skygod Jehovallah = Ba'El (Baal.) Exodus 6:2-3 identifies the old god Ba'El Shaddai with Yahweh: And God said to Moses, "I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as El Shadday, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them." This passage shows that Yahweh was unknown to the patriarchs. Rather, they are depicted as worshipers of El. In Israel El's characteristics and epithets became part of the repertoire of descriptions of Yahweh. Like El in the Ugaritic texts, Yahweh is described as an aged, patriarchal god ..., enthroned amidst the assembly of divine beings."** __________________________ * Were Parts of the Old Testament (the Torah) Plagiarized from Ugaritic Literature? Hebrews adopted the Syriac Civilization http://phoenicia.org/ugarbibl.html ** page 141 The Origins of Biblical Monotheism Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts by Mark S. Smith, Skirball Professor of Bible and Near Eastern Studies, New York University Oxford University Press http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ReligionTheology/BiblicalS...
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0-8kI7NdOY&feature=channel_video_title A Good article on the Scriptures- CAN THE BIBLE BE TRUSTED? by Chris Pinto There are a great many reasons to trust that the Bible is God’s divinely inspired and inerrant Word. To those who question whether this is so, we say: “Good for you!” The Bible itself tells us to “prove all things” (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and gives us the example of the Bereans who were counted “more noble” than others because they “searched the scriptures daily [to see] whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11) We encourage every person to, with all sincerity and humility, search the teachings of the Bible until you are fully persuaded in your own mind concerning what is written there. Jesus said, “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” (Matt. 7:7-8) The Lord also said that the man who builds his house upon the Rock is the one who “dug deep” to do so (Luke 6:48). I have known a number of people in my walk with God who occupy their time reading every book and article that questions the validity of scripture; books that say “the Bible was written by men,” and therefore is subject to flaws, etc. Meanwhile, these same people never bother to read works which present arguments to the contrary – and there are many such works available, if one is truly searching for answers. Yes, there are a number of seeming contradictions in the Bible, which serious students will tell you are not contradictions at all. Many of the twists and turns are there quite intentionally. As it is written: “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.” (Proverbs 25:2) Some of my favorite Christians are those who do not at all shy away from arguments against the scriptures, but are all too happy to rush toward them with full confidence that God’s word will prevail. Real faith is not “blind” as some critics suppose, but tests and proves all things for the sake of the truth. Let us begin by examining a few key pieces of historical evidence. Dead Sea Scrolls When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, many scholars and skeptics believed that once the scrolls were revealed, it would expose that the Bible had been dramatically changed over the centuries. But as it turned out, the very reverse was the case. The scrolls discovered at Qumran are dated about 100 B.C. and turned out to be nearly identical to the writings of the Old Testament that we have today. While there are, admittedly, some variations in a few words and letters of the text, all scholars agree that none of these variations change the meaning of the words in question. As the Dead Sea Scrolls pre-date the time of Christ and the apostles, it is very likely that our version of the Old Testament is exactly what they were reading in their day. The Jewish historian, Josephus, describes the dedication of the Jewish people to the precise, unchanging preservation of the scriptures: “We have given practical proof of our reverence for our own Scriptures. For, although such long ages have now passed, no one has ventured either to add, or to remove, or to alter a syllable; and it is an instinct with every Jew from the day of his birth to regard them as the decrees of God, to abide by them, and, if need be, cheerfully to die for them.” “Time and again ere now, the sight has been witnessed of prisoners enduring tortures and death in every form in the theaters, rather than utter a single word against the Laws and the allied documents.” (Source: Contender Ministries article: Archaeology & the Bible: The Dead Sea Scrolls). The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls certainly confirms Josephus’ description beyond a reasonable doubt. While modern science and archaeology seem to be working overtime to cast doubts on the Word of God, their efforts always backfire and give fuel to the fires of faith. If anything, the modern discoveries dug up out of the earth seem to be the fulfillment of God’s promise: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God … I will show wonders in the heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath …” (Acts 2:17,19) The fossils and ancient remains (i.e. “signs in the earth”) found by modern archaeologists, while often intended to disprove the Biblical record, only succeed in supporting it. Time and time again, the shadows of historical doubt are overcome by the light of discovery. A classic example is the ancient city of Nineveh, written of throughout the Bible, especially in the OT books of Jonah and Nahum. As one author writes: “It wasn't until 1850 that Nineveh was discovered by archaeologists. It is interesting to read liberal commentaries from before 1850 because they had problems with believing the books of Jonah and Nahum because there was no record of Nineveh.” (Source: bible.org article: ‘Nahum’ by Hampton Keathley IV Th.M.) Many arguments against the Bible are based on information that has not yet been found. One will say, “Well, we haven’t found a record of this city, or of that king, and so it (or he) probably didn’t exist!” Then in time a discovery is made, and the doubtful speculation is proven to be false. This has been the repeated history of archaeology and the Bible throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. As a result, the Bible continues to be the chief resource of the archaeological and scientific communities when researching the ancient world. The Four Gospels While skeptics have debated for years about which should be considered the true gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are consistently shown to be the only first century accounts – even according to early enemies of Christianity: “...Celsus, a bitter opponent of Christianity who was born early in the second century, referred to the four Gospels as part of the sacred books of Christians and already well-known in his day.” (Dave Hunt, In Defense of the Faith pg. 62) It is ironic that the writings of Celsus, intended to debunk Christianity, are among the leading examples that the four Gospels had already been written by the second century, and were not in contest with other accounts of the life of Christ. As researcher, William Paley puts it: “It is extremely material to remark, that Celsus not only perpetually referred to the accounts of Christ contained in the four Gospels, but that he referred to no other accounts; that he founded none of his objections to Christianity upon any thing delivered in spurious Gospels.” (Evidence of Christianity, by William Paley, section IX, Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College) Notice how Paley makes reference to “spurious” gospels which may well have existed by the middle of the second century, but were not looked upon as representative of true Christian belief. This argument was most ably defended by 18th century writer, Dr. Nathaniel Lardner in his Jewish and Heathen Testimonies to the Truth of the Christian Revelation, Volumes 1-4. Paley presents some of his arguments: “That the books to which Celsus refers were no other than our present Gospels, is made out by his allusions to various passages still found in these Gospels. Celsus takes notice of the genealogies, which fixes two of these Gospels; of the precepts, Resist not him that injures you, and if a man strike thee on the one cheek, offer to him the other also; of the woes denounced by Christ; of his predictions; of his saying, That it is impossibleto serve two masters; (Lardner, vol. ii. pp. 276-277.) Of the purple robe, the crown of thorns, and the reed in his hand; of the blood that flowed from the body of Jesus upon the cross, which circumstance is recorded by John alone; and … of the difference in the accounts given of the resurrection by the evangelists, some mentioning two angels at the sepulchre, others only one.” (Lardner, vol. ii. pp. 280, 281, & 283.) – taken from the Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College from an article titled Evidence of Christianity, by William Paley, Section IX. Paley continues, using the testimonies of the earliest known opponents of the Christian faith, each of whom made repeated references to the four gospels as the accepted testimony of all Christians. In the third century, Porphyry was a central critic of the Bible. Of him, Paley writes: “What was said of Celsus is true likewise of Porphyry, that it does not appear that he considered any history of Christ except these [four gospels] as having authority with Christians.” Then in the fourth century, the emperor Julian, while refuting the claims of Christians made continual reference to the four gospels in which they believed: “Julian shows that these were the historical books, and the only historical books, received by Christians as of authority, and as the authentic memoirs of Jesus Christ, of his apostles, and of the doctrines taught by them…. He himself expressly states the early date of these records; he calls them by the names which they now bear. He all along supposes, he nowhere attempts to question, their genuineness.” Paley sums up his argument showing clearly that, in the early centuries, the men who counted themselves as enemies of the Christian faith, and who had the most to gain by questioning the origins of the four gospels, never did so: “… neither Celsus in the second, Porphyry in the third, nor Julian in the fourth century, suspected the authenticity of these books, or ever insinuated that Christians were mistaken in the authors to whom they ascribed them. Not one of them expressed an opinion upon this subject different from that which was holden by Christians.” (Evidence of Christianity, by William Paley, Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College) The above paragraph is quite significant, especially as it pertains to Porphyry – because Porphyry specifically questioned the authorship and the date of writing of the Book of Daniel. While his objections are easily overthrown by history, it is important to note that he never attempted such a tactic with the four gospels. Despite such evidence, the neo-Gnostics have continually tried to shift the dating of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to the early or late second century -- in order to support their contention that there were “many gospels” written about Jesus and that the four gospels embraced by Christianity are no better than the others. The others, of course, are the Gnostic gospels whose teachings have always been rejected by Christians, since the apostle John openly denounced the Gnostic heresies in his epistles to the first century church. Eye-Witness Accounts In contrast to the latter-day scholars of the 20th century, who see fit to rewrite history based upon their imaginations, the apostles and early disciples of Jesus maintained that their testimony was based upon eyewitness accounts. As Luke tells us at the beginning of his Gospel: “Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us … who from the beginning were eyewitnesses” (Luke 1:1-2) Jesus told His disciples concerning the gospel message: “… ye are witnesses of these things” (Luke 24:48) and would later tell them: “… ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8) To this day, everywhere the Gospel is preached, it is preached by repeating the witness of the first disciples of Jesus Christ. In modern Christianity, the idea of being a “witness” for Christ carries a different meaning. Today’s Christian bears witness to what he or she has learned through faith in God’s word and personal experience trusting in Him. But in the days of the apostles, being a witness had a very direct application. They proclaimed to the world those things which they had seen and heard, and said this to all mankind again and again. When the apostles spoke to the Jewish leaders of their day, they said: “… we are witnesses …. For we cannot but speak of the things which we have seen and heard ….The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree …. And we are his witnesses of these things …” (Acts 3:15, 4:20, 5:30,32) In the opening of the Gospel of John we read how “the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory” (John 1:14), while the apostle Peter declared to the church that he was “a witness to the sufferings of Christ” (1 Peter 5:1). Peter seems to have some of the strongest and most repeated testimonies about being a literal witness. In his second epistle to the churches, he says: “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.” (2 Peter 1:16) And when Peter spoke at the house of Cornelius and opened the doors of salvation to the Gentiles, he told them: “… God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all these things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up on the third day, and showed him openly; not to all people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.” (Acts 10:38-41) When the apostle Paul reported the gospel account to the Corinthians, he deemed it important to communicate not only that Jesus was the Messiah according to the scriptures; but that the fulfillment of God’s promise through Him was seen by many witnesses. Most of these witnesses were still alive several decades after the crucifixion (about 56 A.D.). Paul wrote: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present …” (1 Corinthians 15:3-6) John, in his epistle, writes that he and the other disciples not only saw and heard Jesus, but touched Him with their own hands: “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; for the life was manifested, and we have seen it …” (1 John 1:1-2) The apostles continually went out of their way to tell others that this man, Jesus, whom they knew, was the real and living Savior; One whom they saw, heard, and could touch. As Paul would write to Timothy, “God was manifest in the flesh …” (1Timothy 3:16) In fact, even after Jesus was raised from the dead, He appeared to the disciples and said to them: “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” (Luke 24:39) It’s believed that one of the early Gnostic teachings was that Jesus was not really a man, but only a spirit. Some even said that when Jesus walked upon the earth, he left no footprints because he was not flesh and blood. To the apostles, such a teaching was not seen as “a matter of opinion” but a serious violation of the Gospel message. Scholars believe it was this heresy that John was combating when he wrote: “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:2-3) While the Gnostics claimed to be the “true” Christians, it is forever important to remember that they were not eye-witnesses to the life and work of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) were all written while those who had seen Jesus were still living. Had these writings contained errors there would surely have been an outcry from the apostles. They were not silent on other issues (i.e. circumcision of the Gentiles, the resurrection, etc.) and there is no reason to think they would have kept quiet if the first century gospels had been phonies or contained bad information. John was alive until at least 90 A.D. and would surely have warned the churches if Matthew, Mark & Luke (which were written beforehand) were flawed in some way. Yet no such warnings exist. In contrast, the Gnostic gospels, which have received so much recent attention, were written after the first century – and were refuted even as they appeared. The so-called gospels of Thomas, Judas, and Mary Magdalene were all written long after these individuals had died; and could not be records set down by the persons they are ascribed to. In other words, they are not eye-witness accounts. The Witness of Paul Modern scholars often accuse the apostle Paul of “changing” the Gospel message, while others suggest that Paul never intended the church to take his writings so seriously; yet these falsehoods are easily refuted by the Scriptures. Paul was very careful with his teachings, which any sincere student of the Bible can recognize. In his letter to the Romans he writes: “For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient …” (Romans 15:18) There may be modern evangelists who develop unbiblical teachings to compel people toward faith in Christ and in God, but Paul specifically maintained that he was not given to such things. Again and again, Paul testified that his teachings came directly from Christ Himself. After Saul of Tarsus (Paul) met Jesus on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1-8) and was converted, Ananias said to him: “Brother Saul … The God of our fathers hath chosen thee … For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.” (Acts 22:13-15) Paul would later reveal what Jesus had said to him during their encounter. Jesus Himself made it clear that Paul was His appointed witness – not for Paul to give his opinion about who he thought God might be, but rather to testify as an eyewitness: “… I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee …” (Acts 26:16) In his letter to the Galatians, Paul said clearly that his gospel came not from man, but from God alone; that it was in fact revealed to him by the Lord Jesus Christ: “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 1:11-12) Furthermore, Paul’s testimony was received by the original apostles as being from the Lord. In his letter to the Galatians, Paul writes: “… when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave to me … the right hands of fellowship …” (Galatians 2:9) Paul also appears at the first Jerusalem Council (Acts15:1-35) where he and Barnabas testify alongside Peter, James and the other apostles. Perhaps most importantly, Peter openly confirms Paul as a brother and equates his letters with “the other scriptures,” signifying their divine authority: “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother, Paul, also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15-16) Peter’s words are prophetic, considering the manner in which neo-Gnostics and others dispute not only Paul’s letters, but the whole Bible. Yet, while critics of the Scriptures come and go, the word of God abides forever (1 Peter 1:23). “… yea, let God be true, but every man a liar …” (Romans 3:4) “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Luke 21:33) -- CJP http://www.adullamfilms.com/CanBibleBeTrusted.html
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    Paul 4 years 40 weeks ago Page Alex R. Knight III
    Thanks Alex. I enjoyed that "As King" link, and passed it on... although I too admit to having some doubts about it. But I do like the mindset here. Better than meekly submitting.
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    Paul 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    This is old news, happened about a year ago according to my Montana friends.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    He who needs the State to enforce his rights likely has an illegitimate claim. Claiming monopoly "rights" to Land for agriculture is illegitimate on its face. No other specie does it; humans don't need to do it; cultures who do are tangled in government, war, sacrifice religions (like Xianity) and layer after layer of violence and agricultural city-Statist enforcement. "Agriculture creates government." ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p. 73 "The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody." ~Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality "An abrupt increase in corn agriculture brought with it the rapid elaboration of hierarchy and militarization in large parts of both continents." ~ John Zerzan, The Origins of War http://www.scribd.com/doc/62268835/The-Origins-of-War-John-Zerzan
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    Suverans2 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    G'day Paul, You knew I would weigh in on this one, didn't you? ;) To say that "there's no such thing as a just claim to anything, which is what one is saying if they say "there is no such things as rights", is completely irrational by any sane man's standards. And, for anyone to say that these are "protected by some words on a piece of parchment", is less than irrational. "Also that government can protect us against the depredations of government.", is not a complete sentence. "Also that government can protect us against the depredations of government", is what? Idiotic? If so, I agree. Any agent, whether it be private or public [governmental], that is strong enough to defend your "just claims" against all comers, is strong enough to also trample those claims, which is why a "well regulated militia", made up solely of those wishing to protect their natural rights, is the only logical answer, IMO. Happy holidays, my friend.
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    Paul 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Now we see revealed what a fantasy it is, that there are such things as "rights", and that these are protected by some words on a piece of parchment. Also that government can protect us against the depredations of government. We'd better try to understand the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Guilt-by-Association is a fun game everybody can play. "I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative." ~Adolph Hitler, March 1942
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    I'll answer your specific question, but I want to preface it first. So scroll down if this bores you! :) I'm engaging libertarian types primarily because I am formerly libertarian/Austrian/an-cap. However, after studying the origins of the agricultural city-State (civilization) and the Original Affluent Society (Sahlins, 1974,) I've found that most of libertarian economic theory and premises just do not hold up to empirical data. Frankly, I see libertarian theory as mostly a fallacy now (as well as most other economics -- they're all predicated on the agricultural city-State being "progress.") Whether or not I want to live a Non-State society lifestyle doesn't really matter, the critique of civilization debunks libertarian economic theory as thoroughly as the Origin of the Species debunks Literalist Fundamentalism. To answer your question about a fast collapse of city-Statism (civilization): it'll go nuclear. You'll need a fallout shelter (or move to NZ or Patagonia) and re-wilding skills, and the temperament to ascend from city-Statism to an evolutionarily stable Non-State lifeway honoring your genetic heritage. Collapse of city-Statism will, eventually, increase quality of life. Kevin Flaherty, who has a small permaculture farmlet in NZ, parallels my analysis here: "Rather than attempting to bring down The Machine suddenly, in a manner that would, almost certainly, result in the use of strategic nuclear weapons, we should gradually destroy The Machine (and let it destroy itself), while learning the skills necessary to make living in a post collapse reality not only possible, but enjoyable." ~http://cryptogon.com/archives/2006_11_01_blogarchive_month.html Jeff Vail's "rhizome theory" is probably the most intelligent analysis of a Non-Statist future after City-Statism (civilization) collapses, including a hybrid hunter/gatherer/horticulture lifeway, much like the Eastern Woodland Indians living in The Great Peace enjoyed. http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/01/what-is-rhizome.html
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    Actually I wouldn't completely sneer at non-military calibers, if that's what you have. Just stock up on ammo for it. Also things like 6.5 Creedmoor can be made from .308. But if you are buying a new gun, and you have a choice, make sure you are heavy in military caliber guns before fooling with anything else. Buy lots of .22LR, 9mm, .40 S&W, .223 and .308. Buy in case lots (say 500 or 1000 rounds, or thereabouts) to save money. Try to get Boxer-primed ammo (as it is easily reloadable, unlike Berdan-primed which is impossible to reload for all practical purposes). Buy lots of reloading components, but concentrating especially on primers (small pistol, small rifle and large rifle). Pick up and save all your Boxer-primed brass when you go shooting (you can tell by looking into the bottom of the case with a good light - Boxer has one large hole, Berdan two smaller holes). Personally, I'd stay away from Russian made ammo like Wolf, although some like it. It's not a bad idea to buy ammo even if you don't yet have a gun for it. Ammoman.com, Wideners, etc... Store your ammo in a cool, dry place.
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    KenK 4 years 40 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Okay but that was then this is now. If industrial society breaks down hard and quick (like Hurricane Katrina) rather than slowly over decades (like the Anasazi die off) what do you recommend as a specific practice? Not baiting you here WI I'd just like to know.