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    Suverans2 4 years 30 weeks ago Web link Michael Dunn
    Knowing Your Role as a Non-Citizen. gfywi Who is a Non-Citizen? According to Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, “a citizen is a member of a state to whom he or she owes allegiance and is entitled to its protection.” Hence, from this definition, it is implicit that a non-citizen is someone who is not a member of a state nor owes allegiance to the state he or she currently resides [sic]. There are certain inalienable rights to which all humans, regardless of citizenship or nationality, are entitled in principal. These rights are called natural rights. "Natural rights are rights [claims] not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of any particular culture or government, and therefore universal and inalienable. In contrast, legal rights are those [claims] bestowed on to a person by the law of a particular political and legal system, and therefore relative to specific cultures and governments."
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    Jim Davies 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Douglas Herman
    My sympathy, Doug, for your loss. They were only worthless tokens, but since everyone is compelled to accept them in exchange, you could have used them to acquire real value. Not any longer. I'm not familiar with CA laws, but nationwide banks are no better than IRS collection agents; never, ever trust them with more than you can afford to lose. Even Paypal, built by libertarian Peter Thiel, will respond to IRS demands by asking how high they should jump. The sickest part is that there is no _written_ law that compels such conduct. Many years ago I asked one to point me to the law that obliged it to freeze my account upon IRS request; its lawyer fell silent. I'm still waiting. Banks do it because they like government. Heck, when government gives license to lend at interest nine times more money than is taken in, that isn't too hard to understand. A mattress is far safer.
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    Suverans2 4 years 30 weeks ago Web link Guest
    “I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” ~ George Mason
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    Suverans2 4 years 30 weeks ago
    Natural Law
    Web link Don Stacy
    The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls: 1. Trolls enjoy using shock-value statements, [and bald-faced lies], to get angry responses from others. 2. Trolls gain energy by you insulting them. 3. Trolls gain energy when you get angry. 4. Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is. 5. Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings. 6. Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order. 7. Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy. 8. Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility. 9. The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online. gfywi More information can be found here: What Is an Internet 'Troll'? ~ About.com Internet for Beginners [Amended]
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 30 weeks ago
    Natural Law
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    Then should we resolve conflicts via mutual masturbation? In the Middle Ages, canon law cited “natural law” to point out that all animals copulated only for reproduction, and each species had a specific position. So, they said that the only valid form of sexuality was missionary position with the man on top, and then only in the context of marriage, for the purpose of reproduction. This was done from a European frame; they had not yet discovered the bonobo chimpanzee. Bonobos are the only species besides humans which do not have an estrus cycle. Neither human nor bonobo females are ever “in heat.” Bonobos–like humans–have recreational sex. Bonobos–like humans–have multiple sexual positions. Suddenly all the inferences of “natural law” that continue to underlay our ideas of “sexual morality” were tossed out the window. In fact, if we are to take from that example of “natural law” that most closely mirrors our own sexuality, then we should resolve all conflicts by mutual masturbation. Comment by Jason Godesky — 16 August 2005 @ 11:15 AM http://rewild.info/anthropik/2005/07/thesis-1-diversity-is-the-primary-g...
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    Suverans2 4 years 30 weeks ago
    Natural Law
    Web link Don Stacy
    "The laws shall be merely declaratory of natural rights and natural wrongs, and … whatever is indifferent to the laws of nature shall be left unnoticed by human legislation … and legal tyranny arises whenever there is a departure from this simple principle." ~ Elisha P. Hurlbut, nineteenth-century American natural-rights theorist
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    I've sat in a pew and heard preachers explain away the plain meaning of the word, mostly via dispensationalism. Its as convincing as Marx claiming a glorious worker's paradise is just around the corner. That ain't happening. And neither is Jesus. That bus is long overdue; he ain't showing up, literally. Now LITERARILY, as opposed to literally, the Sun of God returns every winter Solstice (Christmas) to be born again, and overcomes the Prince of Darkness on Ishtar's holiday (oops, forgot to Christianize the moment when Day becomes longer than Night on Spring Solstice.) The Jesus myth is just another literary story in a several thousand years long line of solar deity worship. Astrotheology, mythicism, drugs, and sacred sex are concepts upon which Christianity is founded. Hey, just the other day I observed the solar deity come in the clouds in glory. Ra-amen! ___________________ References: • Astrotheology & Shamanism: Christianity's Pagan Roots. A Revolutionary Reinterpretation of the Evidence (Color Edition) by Jan Irvin • The Sacred Mushroom and The Cross: A study of the nature and origins of Christianity within the fertility cults of the ancient Near East by John M. Allegro • Sex Rites: The Origins of Christianity (The Ritual Use of Sex, Drugs, and Human Sacrifice) by Diana Agorio
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    .............what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. The Christ opens his private communication to his closest with the admonition not to be deceived. The 'End time' would be a time of great deception. This might not be edifiying for you. but may help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7WzQpCcSCY&feature=related
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Galli priests? Sex Rites, the Origins of Christianity, and the Ritual Use of Sex, Drugs, and Human Sacrifice: The story of Jesus healing the demon-possessed man reflects precisely the rituals of the Galli. Pagan mythology in the Jesus Story Friday, October 1, 2010 http://ancientmeme.blogspot.com/2010/10/pagan-mythology-in-jesus-story.html The apostle Paul was most likely a Galli type priest. Who’s your daddy? The Cuckold Carpenter in Myth, Ritual and Philosophy Tuesday, October 19, 2010 http://ancientmeme.blogspot.com/2010/10/whos-your-daddy-cuckold-carpente...
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    Suverans2 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    G'day Lawrence M. Ludlow, Perhaps this might add a little "connective tissue". "All the apostles, with the exception of Judas Iscariot (Act_1:11), were Galileans." ~ Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary "The Galileans taught that all foreign control was unscriptural, and they would neither acknowledge nor pray for foreign princes [rulers]." ~ Rev. T.F. Wright, Ph.D. And, the Zealot party, who were "partisans for Jewish political independence[1]", asked JESUS, upon meeting him, to join with them. (Ibid.) Zealots A sect of Jews which originated with Judas the Gaulonite (Act_5:37). They refused to pay tribute [taxes] to the Romans, on the ground that this was a violation of the principle that God was the only king of Israel. ~ Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary "They [the Zealots] refused to recognize any human authority, and adopted as a watchword, “No Lord but Jehovah; no tax but that of the Temple; no friend but the Zealots." Instead, certain members of the Zealots evidently joined with the Galilean party. (See Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:13) ___________________________________________________ [1] Strong's Greek Dictionary
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Thanks, Lawrence. I think both fundamentalists and atheists view the Bible completely wrong. Both sides take it too literal. Fundamentalists take it literally true, atheists take it literally wrong. I'm a mythicist; i.e., I take the Bible literarily. Just to spell it out: LITERAL exegesis = Fundamentalists , Atheists (reactive to fundies) LITERARY exegesis = Mythicism (More on the mythicist exegesis here: The Mythicist Position | What is Mythicism? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKW9sbJ3v2w ) The Jesus character even told Nicodemus, who was interpreting Jesus' teaching literally, to take the Mythicist position and interpret the teaching literarily, on a central christian doctrine. I'm just consistent with Jesus' exhortation to interpret his words literarily. However, I don't make a whole lot of fundie friends saying that. ;)
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    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    WhiteIndian, I appreciate your defense of humor-from-the-mouth-of-Jesus as well as your skepticism about Jesus. Nonetheless, I find Jesus to be a fascinating and pivotal historical character, whoever he was and whatever he really said and however much of it was allegorical or not -- if for no other reason than that so many people try to incorporate (co-opt posthumously?) him into their excuse-making systems, especially politicians.
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    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Dear Suverans2: I understood one point you made -- namely that Jesus was not of this world -- which is legitimate. But most of the rest of what you were writing didn't have enough connective tissue for me to understand it easily and make an argument of it. When I have to strain at something just to give meaning to it, I give up. You might want to make something a bit less telegraphic and really spell it out for me. Not everyone agrees with this, and there were quite a few comments on it at one time, but I've been fascinated by the similarity to other "catch me if you can" responses of Jesus to verbal entrapment -- even though some of these favorite texts were interpolated into the surviving texts at a later time (I'm basing this on what I've read from Bart Ehrman and his predecessors).
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 30 weeks ago Page Douglas Herman
    You never give me your money (gold/silver) You only give me your funny paper.(fiat FRN.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvA64O2LySc The ultimate metal, gold, became the final store of value for a variety of reasons: 1. Gold was universally accepted; 2. it was malleable, and had the capacity to be minted into small quantities; 3. it was in short supply and difficult to locate: the quantity of gold couldn't be increased rapidly, thereby reducing its ability to be inflated;, 4. because of its scarcity, it soon acquired a high value per unit; 5. it was easily portable; 6. gold also had other uses. It could be used in jewelry, in art, and in industry; 7. lastly, gold was extremely beautiful. http://www.scribd.com/doc/9647831/Epperson-The-Unseen-Hand-An-Introducti... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcb7mbALcBU&feature=player_embedded
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    KenK 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Douglas Herman
    Something similar happened to me after my father died. It is hard to express the angry and ripped-off emotional reaction to having your stuff stolen aided and abetted by the very people you entrusted your stuff with. Maddening. I feel for you Doug.
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    golefevre 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Douglas Herman
    Gold is so worthless. Throw away your personal computer. Or Mac, as the case may be. Hunting and gathering? There's an "app" for that! Curse you Farmer John too for giving us all the extra time to spend in front of video screens.
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    Samarami 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Douglas Herman
    Let this be an 800 frn ("federal reserve note") lesson-learning experience, Doug. Recognize that large numbers of persons over long periods of time have been led to redefine reality into fantasy (or vise versa might be the better way to phrase it -- reality being redefined to fantasy). You and I have been at the low end of that chain until we began to understand and re-redefine ourselves back to as close to reality as possible, along with a small percentage of others who are dipping their toes into the icy waters of liberty. And your 800 frn loss is the price of getting a glimpse of the insanity that has gradually become the social norm. Liberty, I think, is redefining oneself back to reality. "California" took nothing from you. Predators and their fawning parasites who claim to govern and rule a group of folks residing on a parcel of land we've come to refer to as "California" stole that resource from you. But you had consigned that asset unknowingly into their hands by opening an account and making what we've been conditioned to call a "deposit". The 805.87 digital figure was supposed to represent the value of your hard-earned labor and ingenuity in Alaska -- or at least you and millions like you were led to believe that's what it represented. Banks at one time in remote history were legitimate enterprises in a free market economy. Over a long period of time, culminating with the advent of the "federal reserve act" scam and the "16th amendment" fraud, they have morphed into extensions of the thievery process called "our government". Through fiat, it has become a requirement that "we" use these gse's ("government sponsored enterprises") to tend to our daily exchanges. Many have tried barter, but that's a cumbersome process. Precious metals have been virtually outlawed as a means by which to store and conduct daily exchanges of value between persons. Other than the uses Gwardion outlined above, precious metal coins and bullion would be and have been in history convenient methods, but that made it difficult for the predators of state to conduct their thievery, so they forbid gold or silver as means of exchange. A sociopath by the name of Roosevelt even went to the extent of demanding all gold be brought to "banks" to exchange for devalued fraudulent tickets called "dollars", and made trade in specie "illegal". Compliant serfs marched to "banks" in droves. Freemen kept and sometimes buried theirs -- some of which could be dug up today if one knew where to dig. It is probably wise to make as little use of the Wells Fargo's of the world as practicable. I switched to a local credit union sometime back, but I wouldn't trust them with more than enough to exchange my revenue for needed services. I keep some frn's in printed form, and try to pay in "cash" (a false use of the language) wherever convenient. I believe in storing wealth in non-perishable commodities and/or specie in safe locations. But most important of all: Abstain From Beans. Sam
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    Marvin (not verified) 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Douglas Herman
    Mr. Douglas Herman, I am glad to see another article from you. I have enjoyed your past articles very much and it is through them that I found STR. I enjoy your frank style of writing and the simplicity of the message of individual freedom. Thank you for all your work and still looking forward to when you write about the myriad of jobs you've had over the years. (Especially Porn actor)
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Lawrence M. Ludlow
    Is there another possibility, even the slightest possibility, that it wasn't a "joke". It seems to me that JESUS [sic] was a teacher (rabbi), not a jokester. What if he was teaching his students (disciples) that sovereign individuals [kings without subjects[1]] didn't have to pay state taxes[2], just as he was accused? Luke 23:2 And they began to accuse Him, saying, We found this One perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying Himself to be a king, Christ [anointed[2]]. Really? Where did he do this, "forbidding"? Matthew 17:24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him... What if Pontius Pilate knew that sovereign individuals weren't “of” the Caesar's jurisdiction? John 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. What if “world” in that verse was translated from the paleo-Greek word kosmos, which meant, according to Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, “1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government”? What if he was teaching them, a lesson within a lesson; the difference between fiction and non-fiction? Whose" is a possessive pronoun. Pay strict attention to what he asked: “Whose image and superscription hath it?" What does the Caesar get if they render unto Caesar what has been determined to be Caesar's, according to the above question, i.e. the “image and superscription”... Haggai 2:8 (LITV) The silver is Mine, and the gold is Mine, says Jehovah... ...and they render unto God what is God's, i.e. the “silver”? Do you think this could possibly be why "the chief priests and the scribes"...who "sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor"..."marvelled at his answer, and held their peace"? gfywi ____________________________________________________________________________ [1] Matthew 20:25... Jesus said, You know that the rulers of the nations exercise lordship over them, and the great ones exercise authority over them. 26 But it will not be so among you.... [2] G2778 κῆνσος kēnsos (kane'-sos) Of Latin origin; properly an enrollment (“census”), that is, (by implication) a tax [3] "The use of oil in consecrations, was of high antiquity. Kings, prophets and priests were set apart or consecrated to their offices by the use of oil. Hence the peculiar application of the term anointed to Jesus Christ". ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 31 weeks ago
    The Irish Revolution
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Sje2VYw99A&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CZ1j9bz4J8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc&feature=related
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago
    Vox Dei?
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    A "dupe and imposter" is what Jefferson wrote regarding the apostle Paul. http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/dupes-and-impostors-quotation
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago
    Natural Law
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    ONLY THE MADMAN IS ABSOLUTELY SURE. ~Robert Anton Wilson The Illuminatus! Trilogy (1975)
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 31 weeks ago
    Vox Dei?
    Page Jim Davies
    Remember this was a people who had ,by this time, witnessed the miseries and plagues which the LORD God had afflicted the nation of Egypt. Later on when the Lord paved a way across the Red sea and destroyed Pharaoh's army,the people supposedly: the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD, and his servant Moses. Ex 14:31 EGYPT STILL IN THE SLAVE That's what they said,but they didn't really believe him. Moses was able to take the slave out of Egypt,but he could not take Egypt out of the slave.They were only three days into the wilderness without water when: Exd 15:24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink? Moses appealed to the Lord and the Lord provided clean water.Again, two months and fifteen days into the wilderness the people murmured against Moses: Exd 16:2 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness: Exd 16:3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, [and] when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger. Apparently the Egyptians,although hard nosed bureaucrats (taskmasters),they took good care of the Israelites. It appears that the Egyptians apparently understood the principal, ''feed them and you can herd them.'' But later on when the Lord fed them manna they couldn't follow His rules.He told them to gather bread for six days but not on the seventh. They went to gather bread on the seventh day,and: Exd 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? It seems as though the Israelites were only contented when their bellies were full of what they wanted and when they had plenty to drink. They had more faith in the King's system (Babylon's) which provided for the basic necessities of life than they had faith in the Lord. Every time things started getting little rough they murmured against Moses. Shortly after the bread was provided they again wanted for the water: Exd 17:3 And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, Wherefore [is] this [that] thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst? As a result God brought forth water from a Rock. It is interesting that all the Israelites witnessed the plagues upon Egypt ,the parting of the Red sea, the destruction of Pharaoh's army,and they had even been fed and watered directly from the hands of God. Yet even after witnessing God's power,all of the above murmurings happened within just three months of their departure from Egypt. They had been obeying the laws of Egypt for over two hundred years and they became tired of freedom (God's laws) in less than three months. It was much more convenient to be a good slave in Egypt obeying Pharaoh's laws than a freeman obeying God's laws in the wilderness. It is just like the mentality in this century that says welfare is good and it is better to be red than dead. SEEKING A NEW MASTER When the children of Isreal had been in the wilderness for three months they arrived at Mt. Sinai. The people heard and accepted God's covenant,and when God spoke to the people, "They trembled and stood afar off,"(Ex 20:18) and asked Moses to get the Lord to speak through him. If God wouldn't let them have Pharaoh as a master perhaps God would allow them to have Moses as a master.However,while Moses was on the mount the people became restless and said unto Aron; Ex 32:1 make us gods, which shall go before us; Amazing! Only four months into the wilderness and they still could not accept the greatness and power of the Lord,and they made and worshipped idols. The Egyptian bureacrats had schooled the Isrealites very well. They most have known once a slave always a slave. Shortly after the first day of the second month of the second year after they left Egypt they were still complaining: Num 11:4-5 And the mixt multitude that [was] among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat? Num 11:5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlick: The mixed multitude that was among them was a negative influence upon the Israelites,constantly reminding them of the customs and good foods that were in Egypt.But God said if it is meat you want,it is meat you you shall get.In fact he said they would eat it. Num 11:20 until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the LORD which [is] among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt? They would not accept the perfect food from God.God's manna had to be complete nourishment,and therefore a perfect food source. When they rejected it,They rejected the LORD. The LAST CHANCE Later when spies were sent into the land of Canaan to report on the people and the fruit of the land,they returned and many were afraid: Num 13:32 And they gave the children of Israel an evil report of the land which they had spied out, saying, ........and all the people whom we saw in it [are] men of [great] stature. Num 13:33...........'' and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight." As a result of these reports the people wept and again murmured against Moses and Aaron , saying; Num 14:2,4 ...... "If only we had died in the land of Egypt! Or if only we had died in this wilderness! Would it not be better for us to return to Egypt?" So they said to one another, "Let us select a captain and return to Egypt." This was the last straw as far as God was concerned. He told Moses: Num 14:22 because all these men who have seen My glory and the signs which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have put Me to the test now these ten times, and have not heeded My voice, It was than that God told Moses to turn back to the wilderness and that all (save two) who were twenty years of age or older would die in the wilderness during the next 40 years , and He would bring only the young back to the promised land. It bears repeating that Moses brought the slave out of Egypt but could not take Egypt out of the slave. During the years to come God brought a plague against some,and some were consumed by fire and an earthquake,and still they did not harken unto the LORD.Another time they were again without water: Num 20:5 And why have you made us come up out of Egypt, to bring us to this evil place? It [is] not a place of grain or figs or vines or pomegranates; nor [is] there any water to drink." The problem was they were still good slaves of Pharaoh and not true servants of God .They remembered the flesh pots the leeks,onions,and coffins of Egypt and did not harken unto the LORD. and continued to murmur against Moses and the LORD. Num 21:5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses: "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For [there is] no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread." This time God sent fiery serpents to bite them.Nothing God did satisfied them. The murmurings of the people continued,even into the promised land,until the future generations of those who died in the wilderness finally achieved what their forefathers could not do --- they finally became slave to a new earthly master named Saul,who would make plenty of laws for them to obey. Even though they were warned what would happen to them if they had a king,they insisted.....God provided. GOVERNMENTS ARE BABYLON Throughout the centuries little has changed.Next came the great world empires mentioned in Daniel: the Babylonia empire, Medo-persia ,Greece, and the Roman empire. Than came the numerous small kingdoms of clay and iron which have plagued mankind into the 20th century. Beasts are Kings ,Kingdoms, or governments. In the Exodus Pharaoh was a king or the head of the government and he had a bureaucracy to assist in the enforcement of the state's laws.The same was true for Alexander,for the Caesars ,and is true for the 20th century heads of government and their bureaucracies.The names and structures of government have changed and they have become more sophisticated but they still function as slave masters to their subjects.there are only degrees of slavery as there is no freedom in the world today.As long as government enforces it's will on the people,the people are slaves of the government.
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago
    Vox Dei?
    Page Jim Davies
    The real trick was, for me, taking Egypt out of the slave. "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind..."
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 31 weeks ago
    Natural Law
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGTc2W_zWA Creating "robots" without free will would have been meaningless. God wanted his children to choose good, not evil. Without knowledge of good and evil, there was no sin. Conscience means "with knowledge". We all know what is evil, and choose to do it anyway, and so it is sin, separating us from an eternity of blessed fellowship with a righteous and holy God. And so... evil began in Paradise, bringing death into the world. To compound the problem, around the 450th year of Adam's life, the Fallen Ones began to convey forbidden knowledge and evil practices to mankind, and married the daughters of men. This very nearly resulted in the extinction of the human race, and culminated in the Great Flood. But that didn't end the problem, since the Bible tells us that there was more mingling with the Fallen ones after the Flood, producing more giants. The seed mingling theme runs deep in the Bible. The Serpent may have had something to do with the birth of Cain, Abel's brother. The wording "she bare again" indicates (in my mind at least) the possibility that the boys were not both sired by Adam. Cain was a prototype of the Antichrist. Eve thought Cain was the Redeemer, and gave Abel a name that means '"useless". Abraham got in trouble with God by allowing the Pharaoh to take Sarai into his harem. God intervened and protected her, but later in life Abram took the Egyptian handmaid Hagar and the resultant mingling produced Ishmael and centuries of conflict. Moses' wife came from among the Egyptians... more mingling of seed? You see, the Angels that sinned had polluted the bloodlines of various races, and the bloodline of Jesus Christ had to be from the untainted seed of Adam, not mingled with demon seed. The mingling of the Fallen with the daughters of men filled the Earth with violence and bloodshed, and threatened to prevent the coming of the Redeemer, either by polluting the gene pool or killing off His forebears in the bloodline of Mary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQnqpiz_Tc When I think of "aliens" and demons, I think of the Fallen Ones and their part-human, part-angelic offspring. I think the demons are disembodied spirits of demon seed beings that died in the Great Flood. The "armies of the aliens" that were turned to flight through faith (Hebrews 11:34) were heavily influenced by the demon seed giants, offspring of the Fallen Ones and demi-gods mingling with humans. Because of the extreme violence, cruelty, perversion, and Satanic religious practices of their culture, God ordered Joshua to kill them and destroy everything. Israel and the bloodline of the coming Messiah were nearly destroyed on numerous occasions through corruption of their religious practices by association with these mingled people. http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=3402325689850240729
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 31 weeks ago
    Vox Dei?
    Page Jim Davies
    The Egyptians were smart.Notice that the Egyptians paid the Israelites wages and than later took part of it back? Some of this was probably tribute and the rest in food and other necessities which had to be bought at the king's supermarkets. The situation is reminiscent of the song about a man who ''owed his soul to the company store''. All that he made in wages went back to the company as it was the only place he could buy food and supplies and obtain credit when he ran out of wages. Moses was later able to take the slave out of Egypt but he never could take Egypt out of the slave. The Israelites finally arrived at the position of being completely dependant upon government. (It is historically proving fact that whenever you can create a dependency,you obtain control.)Over a period of time those who didn't cooperate were probably levied an additional tribute (tax penalty) and sometimes given a few lashes for good measure or put to death as an example to others.In the 20th century we are too civilized to punish by lashes and death for civil offenses,we simply put tax protesters in prison. The relationship between the Israelites and Pharaoh's department of human Resources,Internal Revenue Service,Transportation,and Commerce was such that just to survive the people had to cooperate (obey all the laws) or else.However, they must have been satisfied with their condition to a great extant at best, or too dependant upon the state at worst ,as there is no recorded uprising of the Israelites who were still more in number,and mightier, then the Egyptians. THE LEVITES-----FREEMEN OF ISREAL It stands to reason that the Levites would have been the ones to warn the people of Israel and that they ,like our brethren today,WOULD NOT HEAR. Interstingly enough ,according to the book of Jasher ,the Levities saw through the Egyptians' scam from the beginning. But the children of Levi were not employed in the work with their brethren of Israel, from the beginning unto the day of their going forth from Egypt. For all the children of Levi knew that the Egyptians had spoken all these words with deceit to the Israelites, therefore the children of Levi refrained from approaching to the work with their brethren. And the Egyptians did not direct their attention to make the children of Levi work afterward, since they had not been with their brethren at the beginning, therefore the Egyptians left them alone. Jasher 65:32-34 If this is true,than for some reason, since the levites never volunteered ,they were not forced to enter the system even though the Egyptians ,by than, apparently had the power to force them into the same conditions as the rest of the tribes. The levities would probably have rebelled because they had not been gradually introduced to voluntary servitude ,whereas in the words of past Supreme Court Justice ,Wm O. Douglas; "those (Israelites) who already walk submissively will say there is no cause for alarm" THE CONDITIONING TOTAL Moses recognized that the Israelites had been conditioned unto slavery when two Israelites confronted him the day after he killed the Egyptian Taskmaster.The Israelites were as much afraid for themselves because of what Moses had done as Moses himself.So ingrained and accepted was their status of voluntary slavery that they not only feared retribution upon themselves for their own acts, but also feared retribution against themselves for the acts of others. Forty years latter when Moses returned to Egypt and confronted Pharaoh,demandind that he release the Israelites,Pharaoh simply added to the Israelites' burdens by making them gather their own straw.The Israelites understood the message:They had better cooperate (obey all the laws) and be good slaves to the state or Pharaoh would increase their burdens. The Israelites confronted Moses saying: Ex 5:21 And they said unto them, The LORD look upon you, and judge; because ye have made our savour to be abhorred in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of his servants, to put a sword in their hand to slay us. The king increased the production quoteas and tribute to the p[point where no one could perform to the king's satisfaction,which gave the taskmasters the reason they needed to oppress the Israelites even unto death. So ingrained and accustomed to being good slaves (obeying the laws of Babylon) were the Israelites that when Moses tried to tell them what God said they wouldn't even listen to him. Ex 6:9 And Moses spake so unto the children of Israel: but they hearkened not unto Moses for anguish of spirit, and for cruel bondage. TAKING THE SLAVE OUT OF EGYPT They were more afraid of not obeying the laws of Egypt (Babylon) and the administrative bureaucrats than they had faith in the word of God. What they told Moses was ''Go away and leave us alone. It is better to serve the Egyptians than to die." We know this to be true because the Scripture records that after they left Egypt Pharaoh followed and: Ex 14:10 And when Pharaoh drew nigh, the children of Israel lifted up their eyes, and, behold, the Egyptians marched after them; and they were sore afraid: and the children of Israel cried out unto the LORD. Exd 14:11 And they said unto Moses, Because [there were] no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt? Exd 14:12 [Is] not this the word that we did tell thee in Egypt, saying, Let us alone, that we may serve the Egyptians? For [it had been] better for us to serve the Egyptians, than that we should die in the wilderness.
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    Rev 18:4 Come forth, my people, out of her that ye have no fellowship with her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, This passage is generally perceived as being a conclusion based upon the previous passages where Paul discusses the difference btween wicked and evil people,or of the righteous and the unrighteous.However,this is a partial quote from Isaiah which states: Isa 52:11 Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean [thing]; go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the LORD. Isaiah wrote this in 712b.c.,after the captivity of the northern kingdom (house of Israel)which was deported into Assyria during the years 745-721 b.c. (2 kings17). eight years latter,in 713-714 b.c. (2kings18:13),Assyria also captured the majority of the southern kingdom (two tribes) and also deported them into Assyria to the north.Than about 100 years latter,after Assyria had fallen,Babylon invaded the city of Jerusalem,and took the inhabitants to the city to Babylon. This means that Isaiah would be writing to the Israelites in Assyria telling them to flee,or he could be writing prophetically to the inhabitants of Jerusalem,who were latter taken into captivity. Paul adds a little to what Isaiah had to say with the words : ''Be ye separate.'' Coming outof Babylon can be viewed as a physical departure from a place and a relocation to another place,or it can be viewed as simply being separate or different from those in Babylon.The bible and history confirms both as being true. Those who were in Assyria generally fled out of that land and migrated to the north and west.,while those in Babylon were unable to flee but were admonished to remain separate,which they did to some extant. Jeremiah also records: Jer 50:8 Remove out of the midst of Babylon, and go forth out of the land of the Chaldean's, and be as the he goats before the flocks. Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this [is] the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompense. Jer 51:45 My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD. Jeremiah is writing in about 595 b.c which would be in the middle of the Babylonian captivity. A reading of the entire chapters reveals that Jeremiah is addressing BOTH the House of Israel and the house of Judah,as well as those taken captive to Babylon. A reading of Ezra and Nehemiah reveals that the former inhabitants of Jerusalem left Babylon with the permission of the King. There was no fleeing from Babylon at this time as this was a planned and orderly return to the city of Jerusalem. THE fleeing from Babylon was left to those in Babylonian and Assyrian captivity who would escape or flee when those nations were being devoured by other nations. "BABYLON DEFINED'' Strong's concordance defines ''Babylon'' as: confusion 1) to mix, mingle, confuse, confound a) (Qal) 1) to mingle, confuse 2) to mix Websters dictonary,1st. ed., 1828, Vol 1, p. defines Bablylonian as: ''2. Like the language of Babel; mixed ;confused.'' It is interesting that both Strong's and Webster's show in there definitions that Babylon is ''a type of tyranny,''therefore it can be concluded that any form of tyranny is a babylonian system. Certainly this would fit not only the Assyrian and Babylonian government,buy also the Egyptian government from which Israel had fled in an earlier day.It is to this period of Israel's history that we must turn to see how our people reacted to Babylonin type systems. ISREAL IN EGYPT Historically,the best example of satisfied slavery comes from the book of Exodus. Jacob (israel)had moved the clan to Egypt (their ''Babylon'') to be with Joseph,where they prospered: Exd 1:7 And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them. They were sojourners and strangers in a foreign land and things were going along real fine until a new king came upon the scene who didn't know joseph. This new king said: Exd 1:9 And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel [are] more and mightier than we: Therefore the king appointed taskmasters (bureaucrats) over them and set them to work building cities.The new king had them making bricks,worked them in the fields,and employed them as servants.In short they became slaves of Pharaoh (the state.) The interesting point of this story is that even though the Isrealites were ''more and mightier'' than the Egyptians, none of the Isrealites seemed upset enough to do anything about it. The Isrealites were basically a people who were dependent upon the land. They worked the land to grow crops that fed the animals. They literally lived off the land. If the Isrealites became warlike and took over the government ,the king and his bureacrats would have to fight their own wars,go to work,and produce their own food. FABRICATING SLAVERY There had to be a soulution to the problem. The king understood that war wasn't a good solution when he stated they were more and ''mightier than we''. Any attempt to enforce out-and-out slavery would bring on a rebellion.Therefore Pharaoh said: Exd 1:10 Come let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and in the event of war, they also join themselves to those that hate us,and fight against us,and depart out of the land. Dealing ''wisely'' or ''cunningly'' with them would be a program of not imposing total tyranny immediatly,but rather to cunningly coerce them into voluntary servitude over a peroid of time. First of all he set up an educational system for the youth of Isreal. Than he hired some Isrealites to work in the palace and other government agencies in 9-5 jobs with weekends off and paid vacations. They would no longer have to work in the fields dirtying their hands from dawn to dark. He hired them as chariot (bus) drivers,construction workers(building cities) manufacturing plants (making bricks), vine growers(pressing grapes),etc. paying good wages. Having that program well underway,Pharaoh started increaseing their burdens. He applied a tribute(tax)to all wages(income tax) and land (property tax),and than began slowly increasing the tax until many could not afford to pay it.These lands were foreclosed upon and placed under the management of the taskmasters (p.c.a, F.H.A.etc.) Now the king again owned the land and employed the Israelites to work on his farms and paid them a wage,which he also taxed,therby increasing their burdens and oppressing them. A similar story is recorded in the book of Jasher, recording that Pharaoh told the elders how they would subdue the Isrealites by deceit. He ordered that cities be built and that they were to invite the Isrealites to assist in building the cities as fortifications to protct Egypt and the children of Isreal from attack. Perhaps this was the first treaty organisation- IETO (Isreal/Egypt Treaty Organisation)The bait was the protection of the country and the daily wages. The elders of Egypt then went to the children of Isreal and said; ''Whosoever of you from all Egypt and from the children of Israel will come to build with us, he shall have his daily wages given by the king, as his command is unto us.''the book of Jasher 65:19'' The Isrelites were not forced,they were invited to assist and were offered daily wages for thier services,and they were to be treated as equals with the Egyptians.The Isrealites swallowed the bait hook line and sinker,and voulantarily left the Land of Goshen to become wage earners. ''And all the servants of Pharaoh and his princes came at first with deceit to build with all Israel as daily hired laborers, and they gave to Israel their daily hire at the beginning. And the servants of Pharaoh built with all Israel, and were employed in that work with Israel for a month. And at the end of the month, all the servants of Pharaoh began to withdraw secretly from the people of Israel daily. And Israel went on with the work at that time, but they then received their daily hire, because some of the men of Egypt were yet carrying on the work with Israel at that time; therefore the Egyptians gave Israel their hire in those days, in order that they, the Egyptians their fellow-workmen, might also take the pay for their labor. And at the end of a year and four months all the Egyptians had withdrawn from the children of Israel, so that the children of Israel were left alone engaged in the work. And after all the Egyptians had withdrawn from the children of Israel they returned and became oppressors and officers over them, and some of them stood over the children of Israel as task masters, to receive from them all that they gave them for the pay of their labor. And the Egyptians did in this manner to the children of Israel day by day, in order to afflict in their work.''The book of Jasher 65:21-27
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Web link Jad Davis
    Establishing privation property is always a Trail of Tears.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    Psychologically projecting again today?
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    Lawrence M. Ludlow 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    Robert: Yes, the behavior of the trogs at the debate was an indictment of what passes for Christianity in our time. Some time ago, I wrote about the meaning buried in the commonly misunderstood quote on taxation as well. There seems to be a knee-jerk servility reflex these days in far too many Americans. http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/ludlow/ludlow1.html
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls: 1. Trolls enjoy using shock-value statements, [and bald-faced lies], to get angry responses from others. 2. Trolls gain energy by you insulting them. 3. Trolls gain energy when you get angry. 4. Trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is. 5. Trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings. 6. Trolls consider themselves separate from the social order. 7. Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy. 8. Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility. 9. The only way to deal with a troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online. gfywi More information can be found here: What Is an Internet 'Troll'? ~ About.com Internet for Beginners
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    More equivocating word games, per se, from Suverans2. He says "Although I do not consider myself a 'Christian', per se..." Yet he has also states earlier: "The Holy Scripture is the inexhaustible word of God," and "All of Christianity would come crashing down in a rubble pile if one(1) prophecy of christ were shown to be unfullfilled.The critics have had 2,000 years to no avail." At any rate, consider Christianity a rubble pile, if judged solely by S2's reckoning: "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." ~Matthew 24 It's been WAY longer than a generation. Looks like that bus isn't gonna show up. Neither is your other religio-economic salvationist hope.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    You get angry? "That whosoever is angry with his brother shall be in danger of judgment... Agree with thine adversary quickly..." ~Jesus verses 25 and 28, chapter 2, The Jefferson Bible Suverans2, are you one of those Convenience Christians like Tammy Faye—whatever it takes to justify serving city-Statism's (civilization's) Mammon (Money?) This is Jesus' Constitutional Gold Standard: "Take ye neither gold, nor silver, nor copper in your purses..." ~Jesus verse 25, chapter 6, The Jefferson Bible
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    "They said that when Ur was the great empire. (about 4,000 years ago,Did he go to gambol?),That was back in the days when people believed that everything was controlled by the whims and fancies of pagan gods. Water-gods, when they felt so disposed, made water flow; sea-gods moved the waves and tides; air-gods controlled the winds; gods whispered in trees, roared in thunder, and brought rain to the fields. Fertility-gods caused seeds to sprout and women to bear children.Gods controlled men just as they controlled all other things. As water ran and winds blew, so men thought and felt and acted as the gods might will." Gods = laws of nature
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    G'day Westernerd, Although I do not consider myself a "Christian", per se, I found myself wanting to stand and cheer for what you presented here today! You, and Jesus[sic], get a 10 star vote from me, because not one in a million have eyes to 'see' what you have written. Thank you.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    The biological family of Hominoidea are known as apes, humans too. At any rate, if you think we're made in the image of God, God is necessarily a Hominoidea ape too. (I suspect Cetaceans have differing opinions.) But does he wear trousers? And which 10 Commandments of Moses do you refer to? Exodus 34 refers to the second set of tables of stone, claiming that the second set contained "the words that were on the first." 1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god). 2. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god). 3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn. 4. All the first-born are mine. [...] 10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk. Double dose of jealousy. No sauteed lamb. An "amazing," "revolutionary" code of "personal conduct," indeed.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    Jesus preached against the demon engine of city-Statism, agriculture. Not only was he an anarchist, as you've correctly divined, he was an anarcho-primitivist, the only non-contradictory variant of anarchism. Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? ~ Jesus verse 40, chapter 4, The Jefferson Bible Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. ~ Jesus verse 23, chapter 11, The Jefferson Bible It's clear that the Jesus character was neither capitalists nor libertarian. ______________________________ Agriculture: Demon Engine of Civilization by John Zerzan http://rewild.info/anthropik/library/zerzan/demon-engine-of-civilization... "Agriculture creates government." ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p. 73
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    You're grossly misrepresenting atheists' stated position. The word a-theist itself means absence of theistic belief. You're just trying to drag them down to the True Believer make-believe gutter in which you wallow. Also, I'm not a "so-called" American Indian. White Indians were those who ran from agricultural city-Statism (civilization) to a Non-State society, as documented in the following: Chapter 13. "The White Indians" The Invasion Within The Contest of Cultures in Colonial North America Author: James Axtell Pubished by: Oxford University Press "The White Indians of Colonial America" Author: James Axtell Source: The William and Mary Quarterly, Third Series, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 55-88 Published by: Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture P.S. Two positives can equal a negative. It's true! Try it out by saying "Yeah, yeah" in the back of a lecture hall.
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    You see, Darkcrusade, there are those who believe, (because they cannot prove), that there is a First Cause, or a Supreme Being[1], and there are those who believe, (because they cannot prove[2]), that there is no First Cause, or Supreme Being. gfywi And, then, of course, there are those intellectually honest individuals, (IMO), who are agnostic (1870), "...who profess that the existence of a First Cause...[is] not and cannot be known" [Klein] ~ ~ Etymology Online Dictionary ______________________________________________________________________________________ [1] The American Indian, so-called, "believed in a good and Supreme Being [God], and in an Evil Spirit [Devil or Satan], and recognized the existence of inferior good and evil spirits. They believed in a future state of existence, and there were no infidels among them. Superstition [religious beliefs] among swayed them powerfully, and special men, called "medicine-men," were their physicians, priests, and prophets, who, on all occasions, used incantations." [2] Two negatives equals a positive.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    The Apostle Paul was a completely different fellow from that eastern Jesus character, and is the main influence on Western Christianity. He was clearly a butch city-Statist: Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. ~Romans 13:1 And Paul was good with the agricultural city-Statist culture putting food under lock and key and starving people into submission of working for the emergent elite. If any would not work, neither should he eat. ~2 Thessalonians 3:10 TANSTAAFL, as Heinlein called it, even though that has been true for only a single specie, and then, for only 0.1% of human history. In agricultural city-Statism (civilization) you have to work for The Man to pay for food held under lock and key instead of freely hunting and gathering it. Nothing is free for the foraging. Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters... Ephesians 6:5 That city-Statist line suits hierarchical neo-cons, capitalist, and rightwing libertarians rather well. They like to Lord-it-over others. Although libertarians tend to squeal when the tables are turned. At least when it's middle management—the gubbmit—doing the Lording-over. They're cravenly submissive when it's upper management—the business of America is business—doing the Lording-over. P.S. Don't forget Paul was into sacred pederasty. Read Philemon 1:9-11 for an overt Greek pederasty joke that any honest Greek scholar understands clearly. Paul was one sick fellow, as are many of the priestcraft today who follow his example of sexually Lording-it-over "useful" little boys.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    By definition, atheists are NOT believers. Why do you always attack them with silly semantics, trying to make them into believers like you? Feeling lonely?
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    Suverans2 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    G'day Darkcrusade, Well said. However, you may want to rethink your stance on philosophers, i.e. lovers of wisdom. PHILOS'OPHY, n. [L. philosophia; Gr. love, to love, and wisdom.] 1. Literally, the love of wisdom. But in modern acceptation, philosophy is a general term denoting an explanation of the reasons of things; or an investigation of the causes of all phenomena both of mind and of matter. When applied to any particular department of knowledge, it denotes the collection of general laws or principles under which all the subordinate phenomena or facts relating to that subject, are comprehended. Thus, that branch of philosophy which treats of God, &c. is called theology; that which treats of nature, is called physics or natural philosophy; that which treats of man is called logic and ethics, or moral philosophy; that which treats of the mind is called intellectual or mental philosophy, or metaphysics. The objects of philosophy are to ascertain facts or truth, and the causes of things or their phenomena; to enlarge our views of God and his works, and to render our knowledge of both practically useful and subservient to human happiness. True religion and true philosophy must ultimately arrive at the same principle. ~ Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language Oh, and, prepare yourself for an attack from the atheist believers for daring to use the words "God" and "dei".
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Westernerd
    An extremely important verse that should never be neglected concerning Jesus:the Christ and the state. Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Mat 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. The legal maxim of '' a fact is stablished on the testimony of two witnesses'' comes from the Bible. Here is the second authority from Dr.Luke.- Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. Luk 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. This evidence points to the fact that all the manmade contrivance of Government is an anti-christ. Men will be ruled by tyrants or governed by God. Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites? Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription? Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Mat 22:22 When they had heard [these words], they marvelled, and left him, and went their way. Whos image is impressed in you? Are you simply a trousered ape? Or are you created by the hand of God, The Imago Dei? Who discovered men are free? No one knows who first made the discovery that men are free. The fragmentary records begin with one person. There is no historical proof that he really existed, but the story holds its own self-evident truth; and for countless generations, it was handed down from father to son. They said that when Ur was the great empire. (about 4,000 years ago,Did he go to gambol?),That was back in the days when people believed that everything was controlled by the whims and fancies of pagan gods. Water-gods, when they felt so disposed, made water flow; sea-gods moved the waves and tides; air-gods controlled the winds; gods whispered in trees, roared in thunder, and brought rain to the fields. Fertility-gods caused seeds to sprout and women to bear children.Gods controlled men just as they controlled allother things. As water ran and winds blew, so men thought and felt and acted as the gods might will. But Abraham denied the existence of all these pagan gods. He insisted that there is only one God-the God of all things, the God who creates and judges. He taught his increasing family that God is Rightness, Reality, and Truth; that man is free and self-controlling and responsible for his own acts; that each person is free to do good or evil, as he may choose, but that any wrong act will result in punishment to the evildoer. Much later another mighty work is performned to extract the hebrews from bondage,and LIVE for FORTY YEARS(to gambol?) in the desert. One wonders how Moses stuck it out. But for 40 years, he kept on telling them that they were free men; that they were responsible for themselves. "Your murmurings are not against us," he told them, "but against the LORD." But slaves are passive. They submit. They obey. And they expect to be fed. They wanted Moses to be their king so that they could hold him responsible and blame him for everything. But Moses turned them down and kept on insisting that they were free, responsible for themselves; that there was no pagan god to control them and be responsible for them; that no man could rule another man. But the children of Israel kept on murmuring, drifting back into idolatry, and sneaking every chance to worship their pagan gods. The Ten Commandments (found in north america> http://www.truthontheweb.org/frcomsto.htm ) Finally, as a last resort, Moses reduced the teachings of Abraham to a written code of moral law. Known as the "Ten Commandments," it stands today as the first and greatest document of individual freedom in the recorded history of man. Each of the Ten Commandments is addressed to the individual as a self-controlling person responsible for his own thoughts, words, and acts. And each of them recognizes liberty and freedom as inherent in the nature of man. The first commandment tells the individual to reject pagan gods and recognize his own worth as a human being, subject to no power but that of the Creator and Judge. The second tells the individual to form no imag- e of abstract rightness, but to direct his reverence toward the divine in truth. The third tells the individual not to speak frivolously of the Creator and Judge. Knowledge of fundamental truth - cause and effect - is of first importance and should I be taken very seriously. The fourth tells the individual to devote some time (one day out of seven) to reflection on the eternal verities. The fifth recognizes the family as the primary human relationship and establishes the parent's authority over the child as the only authority which a child should accept for his own profit. The sixth stresses the sanctity of human life -the individual's right to live, which is a right that must not be violated by any other person. The seventh establishes the principle of contract - the inviolability of promises given by persons to each other and the double sanctity of the mariage contract, which is the basis of the family. The eighth recognizes the individual's right to own property. The ninth recognizes free speech - the individual's control over his own utterances and his responsibility for their truth. The tenth emphasizes again the right of ownership. Not even in thought should a person violate the property rights of another. http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/15_williamson.html The Decalogue of Moses is one of the most amazing statements of truth ever written, but it was too revolutionary to find acceptance in the pagan world of his time; the ancient Israelites wanted a king rather than a code of personal conduct. http://mises.org/daily/5177
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    Freedom is more than a semantics game, Atlas. Freedom is the absence of coercion; you continue attempting to define it otherwise, as means of evading reality. You also continue to evade that simple fact that animals other than humans also demonstrate reason and morality. (See "Rational Animals" (Oxford University Press,) and "Good Natured: The Origins of Right and Wrong in Humans and Other Animals" (Harvard University Press)) And the lame Social Darwinism relating to property is hilarious. Show me any other specie that takes over way more land than it needs to survive, claims ownership of it, and then charges rent to his fellow species, and starves them into submitting to working for him. Really. I don't see squirrels or dolphins renting pieces of the home planet to other squirrels and dolphins. Not even most humans have charged rent to live on the face of the home planet to their fellow species in the last 2 million years but a single culture -- Agricultural City-Statism (civilization.) "In the imago dei?" Now you know why I call your tripe a religio-economic dogma. Can you be honest about it and dispense with the pretext of rationality?
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    Darkcrusade 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Glen Allport
    The only use for philosophers is to argue with other philosophers.It is self evident,i think therefore i am. Self ownership is inherent,a gift of God.Personal souvreignty, Case in point> A robber breaks into your house and threatens you at the point of a gun. Discretion being the better part of valor, you give in and tell him where your valuables are hidden. But you make the decision, and you do the telling. If, instead of a robber, it were a kidnaper after your child, it would be a different story. But in either case, your thoughts and acts are under your own control. Thousands of men and women have suffered torture and even death without speaking a word that their persecutors tried to make them speak. Your freedom of action may be (rights maybe violated)forbidden, restricted, or prevented by force. The robber, kidnaper, or jailer may bind your hands and feet and put a gag in your mouth. But the fact remains that no amount of force can make you act unless you agree -perhaps with hesitation and regret - to do so. This leads to a very important point - in fact, to two important points : 1. Individual freedom is the natural heritage of each living person. 2. Freedom cannot be separated from responsibility. Your natural freedom -your control over your own life energy was born in you along with life itself. It is a part of life itself. No one can give it to you, nor can you give it to someone else. Nor can you hold any other person responsible for your acts. Control simply can't be separated from responsibility; control is responsibility. Insects and animals follow certain patterns of action. Honeybees, for example, all make the same hexagonal cells of wax. Beavers all build the same form of dam, and the same kinds of birds make the same kinds of nests. Generation after generation, they continue to follow their changeless routines - always doing the same things in the same ways. But a man is different because he is a human being; and as a human being, he has the power of reason, the power of imagination, the ability to capitalize on the experiences of the past and the present as bearing on the problems of the future. He has the ability to change himself as well as his environment. He has the ability to progress and to keep on progressing. Plants occupy space and contend with each other for it. Animals defend their possession of places and things. But man has enormous powers, of unknown extent, to make new things and to change old things into new forms. He not only owns property, but he also actually creates property. In the last analysis, a thing is not property unless it is owned; and without ownership, there is little incentive to improve it.> http://mises.org/resources/3498/The-Mainspring-of-Human-Progress http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hQFO6ugWxU&feature=related Three miracles- 1 That there is something,rather than nothing. 2 That there is a habitable planet anywhere in the universe. 3 That there is High-functioning life.In the imago dei.
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    "Its" is an objectification, dehumanization, degradation, technique used by abusers and tyrants to demean the worth of the human life of whomever they do not like. It's clear that Suverans2's cheap talk about "natural rights" is a mere debate convenience.
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    AtlasAikido 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    Slave-mentality can consist of any of these elements: * A strong orientation of "I'm right; you (and practically everything and everybody else) are wrong. * A compulsion or obsession to blame others and things or factors outside yourself. * A belief that the world in general is unfair. * A belief that "society" or the world owes you what you need. * The belief that because of "government," "its laws," etc. you can't be free. * An emphasis on changing or "fighting" factors outside yourself ("the system," "the ruling class," "big-daddy-government," etc.). * Submission to real or imagined "external authorities."
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    AtlasAikido 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    I got a little criticism from the media types on this site and I really worry a lot about that! LOL Thanks for letting me know where you stand. I suspected as much given your odd postings to a troll on your threads Gak! It was a bit of a let down to read the rugged individualism articles you write and then to watch you telling a troll what great points it was making. But I let it go then (not now)...
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    WhiteIndian 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    Atlas, you compound your lies. You stated that many have died from malaria because of a DDT ban. • In reality, DDT was never banned for use against malaria. • In reality, DDT is still being used worldwide today. One thing I've been learning from you is that reality matters little to your type. The hatred of those who actually observe reality was my first hint. I suppose you must think the propaganda you believe above is somehow "axiomatic" and can't be fact-checked.
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    painkilleraz 4 years 31 weeks ago Page Alex Schroeder
    In the end what is most unfortunate is that free men engaged regularly in ridiculous jousting over contrary views for the sake of ego promotion. In one line disease,infections, and medicine can be explained in the west with the following. The state cannot save anyone, and can only hinder what may truly work through useless legislation and temporary albeit horrific bandaids.