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    Darkcrusade 3 years 26 weeks ago
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    Hmmmmm. No room for diversity of opinion in the STR social? If the Ideals promoted in the cyber-space of STR won't work ,without resorting to the gun in the room(Banning White-Indian).................... than this is an effort in futility and has no chance in the real-world. To even suggest Banning someone already screams defeat. How is that translated into the free world veiw?
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    AtlasAikido 3 years 26 weeks ago
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    I recommend that WhiteIndia be banished from this community. He is not here to debate or trade ideas but to tie up this site in all the ways he has already shown. Ultimately his evidenced failure to execute his primary function on himself/his data is a dead give away. (Because his own data issues are just a set piece ruse). His primary directive is setting up the climbing up of vertical walls when there are clearly stairs. example abound of he the unnecessary testing of others but never himself or his data. The trolls subterfuge is exposed and now understandable. Some clues: WhiteIndian's--self admitted--separatness from its own biological anthopological data units is illogical. But not if he has dishonest intellectual intentions. His failure to discover his first error is a second error and his refusal to correct these errors is a third error And clue. Ultimately evidenced failure to execute his primary function on himself/his data is a dead give away. (Because his own data issues are just a set piece ruse).
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 26 weeks ago Web link Guest
    2A = Egalitarian Clause of the Constitution. (Try that on a liberal friend at a party tomorrow night!) Humans evolved to be egalitarian, and only in an egalitarian Non-State society do humans behave as "autonomous and sovereign" individuals who "bow to no political power." (Service, 1975) The early agricultural city-Statist (civilization) settlers from Europe greatly admired the egalitarian nature of the Non-State tribes and bands they observed, and this rebellion against hierarchy carried into Jefferson's "all men are created equal." It also destroyed the hierarchical divine right of kings in France and gave that country the banner of "liberté, égalité, fraternité." Much of this egalitarian Non-State band and tribal influence is documented in anthropologist Jack Weatherford's Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World. It's no wonder that anthropologist Elman Service observed that "Many people living in non-state societies enjoy lifeways that a number of Americans seem intent on reinventing—such as close association with the land, small group size, and emphasis on oral traditions." It's a real shame that so-called "libertarians" and "anarchists" have such a dim view of egalitarianism. Only with equal sociopolitical power can there be liberty. If there is hierarchy, that means somebody is Lording-over somebody else. It reveals the hidden intent of those who, against clear evolutionary evidence, purport that egalitarianism is a revolt against nature: they want to Lord over others. These smooth-talking economic "social dominator" types cleverly whitewash their hierarchical intent in a toxic mimicry of freedom. I no longer am fooled by their scheme.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 26 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Is the Divine Right of Property any less religious? "To date, however, no philosopher has ever successfully divorced Lockean property rights from monotheism." The Right to Property by Jason Godesky | 18 July 2005 http://rewild.info/anthropik/2005/07/the-right-to-property/
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    tomcat 3 years 26 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Followers of the Abrahamic religions all have their "holy" Books full of bizarre rules about allmost all, even minor aspects of daily life.Since these rules are given by God, they should of course apply to all human beeings. In cases of doubt and in the Interest of the individual Prejudiceses, exegesis is mostly performed against basic commandments like loving each other, or the Ban of Stealing and Killing. Eat some pork chops and drink a Glass of Wine, as a Man put on a women's dress or just do some gardening on a Sunday Morning, all this in the visual range of a faithful believer, and you will see how easy it is to create a serious Stress test for the non-aggression principle. Tolerance or, even more, Respect for People that dont want to listen to their invisible friend is, in most cases, not the Chief Virtue of a true Christians, Moslems or Jews.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 26 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Domestication (control-freaks' War on other species) leads to War (control-freaks' Domestication of our own species.) Before domestication, there was little human violence. "The current literature consistently reports that until the final stages of the Paleolithic Age— until just prior to the present 10,000-year era of domestication—there is no conclusive evidence that any tools or hunting weapons were used against humans at all." ~John Zerzan The Origins of War http://www.scribd.com/doc/20298938/Zerzan-The-Origins-of-War
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    AtlasAikido 3 years 26 weeks ago
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    The following post shows on the side bar but not in the body of the article link below. And I cannot update the like the author's button on the last page the same article. http://www.strike-the-root.com/jay-stuart-snelson-mighty-influential "WhiteIndian *METHODS* have been attacked for good reason (as opposed to the details. But even that has been seen thru by the author of the article on this thread and others.....) Let ALL reflect on his use of strawmen, context dropping, intellectual dishonesty in place of refutation and actual debate. http://www.strike-the-root.com/vision-of-free-society-1 Now this issue of trolls would make a proper subject to address. I think that others have provided good summation of why WhiteIndian fits this bill. His arguments have been seen thru...did he expect me to let him walk into this camp (yes I live in the wilderness, I doubt he does but I care not). It is hilarious to see someone who speaks about subjects and assumes and assumes yet is such a self congratulatory tender foot... His methodology has been shown for what it is...He is a troll. That is NO common ground for me. Now please think about it for a moment. Say dear reader WhiteIndian appears on your proximate horizon and starts his evidenced ways in your camp...What will you do hmmm? Will you pretend that his purposes are peaceful? Well, there is an answer for that. Now I think WhiteIndian has a taste for rabbit food...That is not my problem".
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 26 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    The hierarchy of control-freak dominionism is the same between Christians and Capitalists (including libertarians.) • JEVOVALLAH (The Invisible Hand) • EMERGENT ELITE (Kings, Industrialist Heroes) • MAN (owns everything below) • WOMAN (submits to husband (less now, but still cultural) • ANIMALS (submit to husbandry) • NATURE (worthless unless used up by hierarchy) "No new set of basic values has been accepted in our society to displace those of Christianity. Hence we shall continue to have a worsening ecologic crisis until we reject the Christian axiom that nature has no reason for existence save to serve man." ~Lynn White, Jr., The Historical Roots of Our Ecologic Crisis, Science, New Series, Vol. 155, No. 3767 (Mar. 10, 1967), pp. 1203-1207
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    Darkcrusade 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    This reminds me of a truth learned sometime before. That i'am pleased to share. http://markofthebeast.embassyofheaven.com/tramp.htm "What, hast thou come to see how Antichrist tortures men? There, look, he has locked them up in a cage, a whole army of them. Men should eat bread in the sweat of their brow. And he has locked them up with no work to do, and feeds them like swine, so that they should turn into beasts." "What is he saying?" asked the Englishman. Nekhludoff told him the old man was blaming the inspector for keeping men imprisoned. "Ask him how he thinks one should treat those who do not keep to the laws," said the Englishman. Nekhludoff translated the question. The old man laughed in a strange manner, showing his teeth. "The laws?" he repeated with contempt. "He first robbed everybody, took all the earth, all the rights away from men, killed all those who were against him, and then wrote laws, forbidding robbery and murder. He should have written these laws before." Nekhludoff translated. The Englishman smiled. "Well anyhow, ask him how one should treat thieves and murderers at present?" Nekhludoff again translated his question. "Tell him he should take the seal of Antichrist off himself," the old man said, frowning severely; "then there will be no thieves and murderers. Tell him so."
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    painkilleraz 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
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    painkilleraz 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    Well said WI/ and yes agreed...what I have realized with time is that all forms of state regardless their name are the same in the end. And all forms of state based "philosophy" i.e. capitalism, etc., tend to be the same. I would that we had the classic "free market" and were simply voluntaryist/individuals- nothing more.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link painkilleraz
    Capitalism is Collectivist Social Engineering that destroys Non-State lifeways. American Capitalism has COLLECTIVELY: 1. Forms governments to kill off Non-State natural inhabitants 2. Aggressively invades and occupies the Land 3. Collectively builds mass systems of roads 4. Collectively builds mass systems of drainage systems 5. Collectively builds mass systems of irrigation projects. And then, the mooching TAKERS divvy up the loot amongst themselves, and call it... "Private" Property. Even Ayn Rand let it slip that the invasion and occupation was a violent TAKING of land. "[The Native Americans] didn't have any rights to the land ... Any white person who brought the element of civilization had the right to TAKE over this continent." ~Ayn Rand, US Military Academy at West Point, March 6, 1974 Read that again: The RIGHT. To TAKE. Wow, some honesty, finally! And there you have Capitalism, in plain words, un-whitewashed.
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago
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    "Natural law never went away those who ignore it will (are) continuing to experience the consequence as witnessed [by] the slow motion collapse of all the western financial systems." ~ AtlasAikido Not to mention, and more importantly, by the slow motion collapse of all 'civilized'[1] society. "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature." The natural law of the human world "is the science of peace; and the only science of peace; since it is the science which alone can tell us on what conditions mankind can live in peace, or ought to live in peace, with each other." ~ Lysander Spooner _______________________________________________________________________ [1] civilized adj. ...humane, ethical, and reasonable ~ American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
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    zygodactyl 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    White Indian, I have great interest about many things that you have been writing about recently. Please contact me at zygodactyl_1@stovermo.com and please also tell me if you happen to live in the mid-west.
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    Darkcrusade 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc&feature=player_embedded
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    A real post collapse business opportunity would be to stockpile the means necessary to manufacture popular ammo calibers for sale or trade. And the odd or wildcat calibers on a custom basis. I know a few people that have offered to load ammo for friends on a cost plus basis in exchange for money or trades. It can't really be much of business opportunity (for now) because insurance costs and legal liabilities prevent it from being profitable except on an industrial scale. A 1000 rd. lot of 7.62 NATO ball ammo in trade for medical treatment, homemade whiskey, or bushels of corn is totally feasible. Or would be. Given that scenario it would really make you consider the true utility or value of a .44-40 or 7.65mm handgun even if it is a classic like a SA Colt revolver or a German-made Luger.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    The Hebrew Tanakh, (Christian Old Testament) was plagiarized from Ugaritic clay tablets,* excavated from 1929 to 1970 in Syria. The 'ol skygod Jehovallah = Ba'El (Baal.) Exodus 6:2-3 identifies the old god Ba'El Shaddai with Yahweh: And God said to Moses, "I am Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as El Shadday, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them." This passage shows that Yahweh was unknown to the patriarchs. Rather, they are depicted as worshipers of El. In Israel El's characteristics and epithets became part of the repertoire of descriptions of Yahweh. Like El in the Ugaritic texts, Yahweh is described as an aged, patriarchal god ..., enthroned amidst the assembly of divine beings."** __________________________ * Were Parts of the Old Testament (the Torah) Plagiarized from Ugaritic Literature? Hebrews adopted the Syriac Civilization http://phoenicia.org/ugarbibl.html ** page 141 The Origins of Biblical Monotheism Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts by Mark S. Smith, Skirball Professor of Bible and Near Eastern Studies, New York University Oxford University Press http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ReligionTheology/BiblicalS...
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    Darkcrusade 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0-8kI7NdOY&feature=channel_video_title A Good article on the Scriptures- CAN THE BIBLE BE TRUSTED? by Chris Pinto There are a great many reasons to trust that the Bible is God’s divinely inspired and inerrant Word. To those who question whether this is so, we say: “Good for you!” The Bible itself tells us to “prove all things” (1 Thessalonians 5:21) and gives us the example of the Bereans who were counted “more noble” than others because they “searched the scriptures daily [to see] whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11) We encourage every person to, with all sincerity and humility, search the teachings of the Bible until you are fully persuaded in your own mind concerning what is written there. Jesus said, “Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” (Matt. 7:7-8) The Lord also said that the man who builds his house upon the Rock is the one who “dug deep” to do so (Luke 6:48). I have known a number of people in my walk with God who occupy their time reading every book and article that questions the validity of scripture; books that say “the Bible was written by men,” and therefore is subject to flaws, etc. Meanwhile, these same people never bother to read works which present arguments to the contrary – and there are many such works available, if one is truly searching for answers. Yes, there are a number of seeming contradictions in the Bible, which serious students will tell you are not contradictions at all. Many of the twists and turns are there quite intentionally. As it is written: “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.” (Proverbs 25:2) Some of my favorite Christians are those who do not at all shy away from arguments against the scriptures, but are all too happy to rush toward them with full confidence that God’s word will prevail. Real faith is not “blind” as some critics suppose, but tests and proves all things for the sake of the truth. Let us begin by examining a few key pieces of historical evidence. Dead Sea Scrolls When the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, many scholars and skeptics believed that once the scrolls were revealed, it would expose that the Bible had been dramatically changed over the centuries. But as it turned out, the very reverse was the case. The scrolls discovered at Qumran are dated about 100 B.C. and turned out to be nearly identical to the writings of the Old Testament that we have today. While there are, admittedly, some variations in a few words and letters of the text, all scholars agree that none of these variations change the meaning of the words in question. As the Dead Sea Scrolls pre-date the time of Christ and the apostles, it is very likely that our version of the Old Testament is exactly what they were reading in their day. The Jewish historian, Josephus, describes the dedication of the Jewish people to the precise, unchanging preservation of the scriptures: “We have given practical proof of our reverence for our own Scriptures. For, although such long ages have now passed, no one has ventured either to add, or to remove, or to alter a syllable; and it is an instinct with every Jew from the day of his birth to regard them as the decrees of God, to abide by them, and, if need be, cheerfully to die for them.” “Time and again ere now, the sight has been witnessed of prisoners enduring tortures and death in every form in the theaters, rather than utter a single word against the Laws and the allied documents.” (Source: Contender Ministries article: Archaeology & the Bible: The Dead Sea Scrolls). The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls certainly confirms Josephus’ description beyond a reasonable doubt. While modern science and archaeology seem to be working overtime to cast doubts on the Word of God, their efforts always backfire and give fuel to the fires of faith. If anything, the modern discoveries dug up out of the earth seem to be the fulfillment of God’s promise: “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God … I will show wonders in the heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath …” (Acts 2:17,19) The fossils and ancient remains (i.e. “signs in the earth”) found by modern archaeologists, while often intended to disprove the Biblical record, only succeed in supporting it. Time and time again, the shadows of historical doubt are overcome by the light of discovery. A classic example is the ancient city of Nineveh, written of throughout the Bible, especially in the OT books of Jonah and Nahum. As one author writes: “It wasn't until 1850 that Nineveh was discovered by archaeologists. It is interesting to read liberal commentaries from before 1850 because they had problems with believing the books of Jonah and Nahum because there was no record of Nineveh.” (Source: bible.org article: ‘Nahum’ by Hampton Keathley IV Th.M.) Many arguments against the Bible are based on information that has not yet been found. One will say, “Well, we haven’t found a record of this city, or of that king, and so it (or he) probably didn’t exist!” Then in time a discovery is made, and the doubtful speculation is proven to be false. This has been the repeated history of archaeology and the Bible throughout the 19th and 20th centuries. As a result, the Bible continues to be the chief resource of the archaeological and scientific communities when researching the ancient world. The Four Gospels While skeptics have debated for years about which should be considered the true gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are consistently shown to be the only first century accounts – even according to early enemies of Christianity: “...Celsus, a bitter opponent of Christianity who was born early in the second century, referred to the four Gospels as part of the sacred books of Christians and already well-known in his day.” (Dave Hunt, In Defense of the Faith pg. 62) It is ironic that the writings of Celsus, intended to debunk Christianity, are among the leading examples that the four Gospels had already been written by the second century, and were not in contest with other accounts of the life of Christ. As researcher, William Paley puts it: “It is extremely material to remark, that Celsus not only perpetually referred to the accounts of Christ contained in the four Gospels, but that he referred to no other accounts; that he founded none of his objections to Christianity upon any thing delivered in spurious Gospels.” (Evidence of Christianity, by William Paley, section IX, Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College) Notice how Paley makes reference to “spurious” gospels which may well have existed by the middle of the second century, but were not looked upon as representative of true Christian belief. This argument was most ably defended by 18th century writer, Dr. Nathaniel Lardner in his Jewish and Heathen Testimonies to the Truth of the Christian Revelation, Volumes 1-4. Paley presents some of his arguments: “That the books to which Celsus refers were no other than our present Gospels, is made out by his allusions to various passages still found in these Gospels. Celsus takes notice of the genealogies, which fixes two of these Gospels; of the precepts, Resist not him that injures you, and if a man strike thee on the one cheek, offer to him the other also; of the woes denounced by Christ; of his predictions; of his saying, That it is impossibleto serve two masters; (Lardner, vol. ii. pp. 276-277.) Of the purple robe, the crown of thorns, and the reed in his hand; of the blood that flowed from the body of Jesus upon the cross, which circumstance is recorded by John alone; and … of the difference in the accounts given of the resurrection by the evangelists, some mentioning two angels at the sepulchre, others only one.” (Lardner, vol. ii. pp. 280, 281, & 283.) – taken from the Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College from an article titled Evidence of Christianity, by William Paley, Section IX. Paley continues, using the testimonies of the earliest known opponents of the Christian faith, each of whom made repeated references to the four gospels as the accepted testimony of all Christians. In the third century, Porphyry was a central critic of the Bible. Of him, Paley writes: “What was said of Celsus is true likewise of Porphyry, that it does not appear that he considered any history of Christ except these [four gospels] as having authority with Christians.” Then in the fourth century, the emperor Julian, while refuting the claims of Christians made continual reference to the four gospels in which they believed: “Julian shows that these were the historical books, and the only historical books, received by Christians as of authority, and as the authentic memoirs of Jesus Christ, of his apostles, and of the doctrines taught by them…. He himself expressly states the early date of these records; he calls them by the names which they now bear. He all along supposes, he nowhere attempts to question, their genuineness.” Paley sums up his argument showing clearly that, in the early centuries, the men who counted themselves as enemies of the Christian faith, and who had the most to gain by questioning the origins of the four gospels, never did so: “… neither Celsus in the second, Porphyry in the third, nor Julian in the fourth century, suspected the authenticity of these books, or ever insinuated that Christians were mistaken in the authors to whom they ascribed them. Not one of them expressed an opinion upon this subject different from that which was holden by Christians.” (Evidence of Christianity, by William Paley, Christian Classics Ethereal Library at Calvin College) The above paragraph is quite significant, especially as it pertains to Porphyry – because Porphyry specifically questioned the authorship and the date of writing of the Book of Daniel. While his objections are easily overthrown by history, it is important to note that he never attempted such a tactic with the four gospels. Despite such evidence, the neo-Gnostics have continually tried to shift the dating of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to the early or late second century -- in order to support their contention that there were “many gospels” written about Jesus and that the four gospels embraced by Christianity are no better than the others. The others, of course, are the Gnostic gospels whose teachings have always been rejected by Christians, since the apostle John openly denounced the Gnostic heresies in his epistles to the first century church. Eye-Witness Accounts In contrast to the latter-day scholars of the 20th century, who see fit to rewrite history based upon their imaginations, the apostles and early disciples of Jesus maintained that their testimony was based upon eyewitness accounts. As Luke tells us at the beginning of his Gospel: “Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us … who from the beginning were eyewitnesses” (Luke 1:1-2) Jesus told His disciples concerning the gospel message: “… ye are witnesses of these things” (Luke 24:48) and would later tell them: “… ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8) To this day, everywhere the Gospel is preached, it is preached by repeating the witness of the first disciples of Jesus Christ. In modern Christianity, the idea of being a “witness” for Christ carries a different meaning. Today’s Christian bears witness to what he or she has learned through faith in God’s word and personal experience trusting in Him. But in the days of the apostles, being a witness had a very direct application. They proclaimed to the world those things which they had seen and heard, and said this to all mankind again and again. When the apostles spoke to the Jewish leaders of their day, they said: “… we are witnesses …. For we cannot but speak of the things which we have seen and heard ….The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree …. And we are his witnesses of these things …” (Acts 3:15, 4:20, 5:30,32) In the opening of the Gospel of John we read how “the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory” (John 1:14), while the apostle Peter declared to the church that he was “a witness to the sufferings of Christ” (1 Peter 5:1). Peter seems to have some of the strongest and most repeated testimonies about being a literal witness. In his second epistle to the churches, he says: “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.” (2 Peter 1:16) And when Peter spoke at the house of Cornelius and opened the doors of salvation to the Gentiles, he told them: “… God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all these things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up on the third day, and showed him openly; not to all people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.” (Acts 10:38-41) When the apostle Paul reported the gospel account to the Corinthians, he deemed it important to communicate not only that Jesus was the Messiah according to the scriptures; but that the fulfillment of God’s promise through Him was seen by many witnesses. Most of these witnesses were still alive several decades after the crucifixion (about 56 A.D.). Paul wrote: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present …” (1 Corinthians 15:3-6) John, in his epistle, writes that he and the other disciples not only saw and heard Jesus, but touched Him with their own hands: “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; for the life was manifested, and we have seen it …” (1 John 1:1-2) The apostles continually went out of their way to tell others that this man, Jesus, whom they knew, was the real and living Savior; One whom they saw, heard, and could touch. As Paul would write to Timothy, “God was manifest in the flesh …” (1Timothy 3:16) In fact, even after Jesus was raised from the dead, He appeared to the disciples and said to them: “Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.” (Luke 24:39) It’s believed that one of the early Gnostic teachings was that Jesus was not really a man, but only a spirit. Some even said that when Jesus walked upon the earth, he left no footprints because he was not flesh and blood. To the apostles, such a teaching was not seen as “a matter of opinion” but a serious violation of the Gospel message. Scholars believe it was this heresy that John was combating when he wrote: “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:2-3) While the Gnostics claimed to be the “true” Christians, it is forever important to remember that they were not eye-witnesses to the life and work of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The four gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) were all written while those who had seen Jesus were still living. Had these writings contained errors there would surely have been an outcry from the apostles. They were not silent on other issues (i.e. circumcision of the Gentiles, the resurrection, etc.) and there is no reason to think they would have kept quiet if the first century gospels had been phonies or contained bad information. John was alive until at least 90 A.D. and would surely have warned the churches if Matthew, Mark & Luke (which were written beforehand) were flawed in some way. Yet no such warnings exist. In contrast, the Gnostic gospels, which have received so much recent attention, were written after the first century – and were refuted even as they appeared. The so-called gospels of Thomas, Judas, and Mary Magdalene were all written long after these individuals had died; and could not be records set down by the persons they are ascribed to. In other words, they are not eye-witness accounts. The Witness of Paul Modern scholars often accuse the apostle Paul of “changing” the Gospel message, while others suggest that Paul never intended the church to take his writings so seriously; yet these falsehoods are easily refuted by the Scriptures. Paul was very careful with his teachings, which any sincere student of the Bible can recognize. In his letter to the Romans he writes: “For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient …” (Romans 15:18) There may be modern evangelists who develop unbiblical teachings to compel people toward faith in Christ and in God, but Paul specifically maintained that he was not given to such things. Again and again, Paul testified that his teachings came directly from Christ Himself. After Saul of Tarsus (Paul) met Jesus on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:1-8) and was converted, Ananias said to him: “Brother Saul … The God of our fathers hath chosen thee … For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.” (Acts 22:13-15) Paul would later reveal what Jesus had said to him during their encounter. Jesus Himself made it clear that Paul was His appointed witness – not for Paul to give his opinion about who he thought God might be, but rather to testify as an eyewitness: “… I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee …” (Acts 26:16) In his letter to the Galatians, Paul said clearly that his gospel came not from man, but from God alone; that it was in fact revealed to him by the Lord Jesus Christ: “But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 1:11-12) Furthermore, Paul’s testimony was received by the original apostles as being from the Lord. In his letter to the Galatians, Paul writes: “… when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave to me … the right hands of fellowship …” (Galatians 2:9) Paul also appears at the first Jerusalem Council (Acts15:1-35) where he and Barnabas testify alongside Peter, James and the other apostles. Perhaps most importantly, Peter openly confirms Paul as a brother and equates his letters with “the other scriptures,” signifying their divine authority: “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother, Paul, also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15-16) Peter’s words are prophetic, considering the manner in which neo-Gnostics and others dispute not only Paul’s letters, but the whole Bible. Yet, while critics of the Scriptures come and go, the word of God abides forever (1 Peter 1:23). “… yea, let God be true, but every man a liar …” (Romans 3:4) “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Luke 21:33) -- CJP http://www.adullamfilms.com/CanBibleBeTrusted.html
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    Paul 3 years 27 weeks ago Page Alex R. Knight III
    Thanks Alex. I enjoyed that "As King" link, and passed it on... although I too admit to having some doubts about it. But I do like the mindset here. Better than meekly submitting.
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    Paul 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    This is old news, happened about a year ago according to my Montana friends.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    He who needs the State to enforce his rights likely has an illegitimate claim. Claiming monopoly "rights" to Land for agriculture is illegitimate on its face. No other specie does it; humans don't need to do it; cultures who do are tangled in government, war, sacrifice religions (like Xianity) and layer after layer of violence and agricultural city-Statist enforcement. "Agriculture creates government." ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p. 73 "The first man who, having enclosed a piece of ground, bethought himself of saying This is mine, and found people simple enough to believe him, was the real founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this imposter; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody." ~Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Discourse on Inequality "An abrupt increase in corn agriculture brought with it the rapid elaboration of hierarchy and militarization in large parts of both continents." ~ John Zerzan, The Origins of War http://www.scribd.com/doc/62268835/The-Origins-of-War-John-Zerzan
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    G'day Paul, You knew I would weigh in on this one, didn't you? ;) To say that "there's no such thing as a just claim to anything, which is what one is saying if they say "there is no such things as rights", is completely irrational by any sane man's standards. And, for anyone to say that these are "protected by some words on a piece of parchment", is less than irrational. "Also that government can protect us against the depredations of government.", is not a complete sentence. "Also that government can protect us against the depredations of government", is what? Idiotic? If so, I agree. Any agent, whether it be private or public [governmental], that is strong enough to defend your "just claims" against all comers, is strong enough to also trample those claims, which is why a "well regulated militia", made up solely of those wishing to protect their natural rights, is the only logical answer, IMO. Happy holidays, my friend.
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    Paul 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Now we see revealed what a fantasy it is, that there are such things as "rights", and that these are protected by some words on a piece of parchment. Also that government can protect us against the depredations of government. We'd better try to understand the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Guilt-by-Association is a fun game everybody can play. "I absolutely insist on protecting private property ... we must encourage private initiative." ~Adolph Hitler, March 1942
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    I'll answer your specific question, but I want to preface it first. So scroll down if this bores you! :) I'm engaging libertarian types primarily because I am formerly libertarian/Austrian/an-cap. However, after studying the origins of the agricultural city-State (civilization) and the Original Affluent Society (Sahlins, 1974,) I've found that most of libertarian economic theory and premises just do not hold up to empirical data. Frankly, I see libertarian theory as mostly a fallacy now (as well as most other economics -- they're all predicated on the agricultural city-State being "progress.") Whether or not I want to live a Non-State society lifestyle doesn't really matter, the critique of civilization debunks libertarian economic theory as thoroughly as the Origin of the Species debunks Literalist Fundamentalism. To answer your question about a fast collapse of city-Statism (civilization): it'll go nuclear. You'll need a fallout shelter (or move to NZ or Patagonia) and re-wilding skills, and the temperament to ascend from city-Statism to an evolutionarily stable Non-State lifeway honoring your genetic heritage. Collapse of city-Statism will, eventually, increase quality of life. Kevin Flaherty, who has a small permaculture farmlet in NZ, parallels my analysis here: "Rather than attempting to bring down The Machine suddenly, in a manner that would, almost certainly, result in the use of strategic nuclear weapons, we should gradually destroy The Machine (and let it destroy itself), while learning the skills necessary to make living in a post collapse reality not only possible, but enjoyable." ~http://cryptogon.com/archives/2006_11_01_blogarchive_month.html Jeff Vail's "rhizome theory" is probably the most intelligent analysis of a Non-Statist future after City-Statism (civilization) collapses, including a hybrid hunter/gatherer/horticulture lifeway, much like the Eastern Woodland Indians living in The Great Peace enjoyed. http://www.jeffvail.net/2007/01/what-is-rhizome.html
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    Paul 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Actually I wouldn't completely sneer at non-military calibers, if that's what you have. Just stock up on ammo for it. Also things like 6.5 Creedmoor can be made from .308. But if you are buying a new gun, and you have a choice, make sure you are heavy in military caliber guns before fooling with anything else. Buy lots of .22LR, 9mm, .40 S&W, .223 and .308. Buy in case lots (say 500 or 1000 rounds, or thereabouts) to save money. Try to get Boxer-primed ammo (as it is easily reloadable, unlike Berdan-primed which is impossible to reload for all practical purposes). Buy lots of reloading components, but concentrating especially on primers (small pistol, small rifle and large rifle). Pick up and save all your Boxer-primed brass when you go shooting (you can tell by looking into the bottom of the case with a good light - Boxer has one large hole, Berdan two smaller holes). Personally, I'd stay away from Russian made ammo like Wolf, although some like it. It's not a bad idea to buy ammo even if you don't yet have a gun for it. Ammoman.com, Wideners, etc... Store your ammo in a cool, dry place.
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Okay but that was then this is now. If industrial society breaks down hard and quick (like Hurricane Katrina) rather than slowly over decades (like the Anasazi die off) what do you recommend as a specific practice? Not baiting you here WI I'd just like to know.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    War clubs are for agriculturalists. "...it is now a tenet of mainstream scholarship that pre-civilization humans lived in the absence of violence—more specifically, of organized violence..." John Zerzan The Origins of War http://www.scribd.com/doc/62268835/The-Origins-of-War-John-Zerzan
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    I like Bob Black's writing. You can find quite a few of his articles at http://primitivism.com/author-index.htm My favorite article of his is The Abolition of Work. "No one should ever work. "Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the world. Almost any evil you'd care to name comes from working or from living in a world designed for work..." :) Quoting this article turns most Libertarian/An-Cap/Capitalists into blithering Free Republic neo-Cons. Which is pretty much what they are anyway, with a thin veneer of "liberty" whitewash that sluices away so quickly.
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    That is a great link White Indian.
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Sorry about the double post.
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Beware. Gun control would be impossible to implement as in say England (ie, "turn 'em all in folks or else!") here in America because so many would resist. But "ammo control" is quite possible and much easier to enforce. I saw on a gun control policy center website that [said] American households have about 1.5 years worth of ammo in their homes. If serious troubles ensued and the supply was cut off that time frame would likely be much shorter. Bottom Line: Expensive and heavily customized arms like ARs or AKs but without ammo are just expensive clubs. (Now my friend White Indian is okay with clubs presumably but the rest of us would be f*cked.) Paul Bonneau in his excellent STR gun articles is correct IMHO about one thing most of all: Stick to weapons in mil calibers so we can buy, trade, steal, capture, or otherwise obtain some from state arsenals. You can shoot a deer, antelope or pig with a box of 5.56mm and defend yourself as well. But an AR in 6.5mm Creedmore with no ammo is worth what? If you put your faith in gold, food, or other tradable commodities is well and fine, if you have a gun and ammo to defend it; but an unarmed man with gold, food, is just a victim waiting to be robbed. I know the Austrian economists, Randroids, and etc will denounce me for not being rational or understand supply curves and what all but that's how I see it. so there's my rant.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Constitutionalists revere the Magna Carta, but if they were to read it, they'd be baffled. Expecting to find, as libertarian Constitutionalist Ken Krawchuk says, "many of the rights we still enjoy today," they'd find themselves adrift in an alien, feudal world of "aids," "wardship," "scutage," "knight service," "reliefs," "wainage," "castle guard," "socage," "burgage," and other arcana even medievalists toil to comprehend. Magna Carta -- extorted from King John by a few dozen rebellious barons in 1215, a dead letter within three months, voided by England's feudal overlord, the Pope -- did almost nothing for almost all of England's two million people. It confirmed or created privileges for churchmen and barons, occasionally for knights, and in only two instances for "free men." Most Englishmen were villeins, not freemen. And as historian Sidney Painter has written, "Whenever provisions of the Charter seem to benefit the ordinary man, a close examination will show that it is his lord's pocketbook that is the real cause of concern." It was only a question of who would do the fleecing. The Great Charter has nothing to say about free speech, unreasonable searches and seizures, self-incrimination, the right to bear arms, free exercise of religion, the obligation of contracts, ex post facto laws, bills of attainder, rights of petition and assembly, excessive bail, the right to counsel, cruel and unusual punishments, indictment by grand jury, etc., etc. Far from forbidding even involuntary servitude, it presupposes it (chs. 17, 20 and 23). Far from forbidding the establishment of religion, it confirms it in its very first provision (ch. 1). The real Magna Carta was not even remotely libertarian. above excerpt from: "CONSTITUTIONALISM": THE WHITE MAN'S GHOST DANCE by Robert C. Black http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/black/sp001650.html
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    Yes, because gold is too heavy to throw at attackers and mobile food sources.
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Guest
    "For more than six hundred years --- that is, since Magna Carta, in 1215 --- there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law, than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge of the justice of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust or oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating, or resisting the execution of, such laws." ~ An Essay on the Trial by Jury by Lysander Spooner* *"Lysander Spooner has many great distinctions in the history of political thought. For one thing, he was undoubtedly the only constitutional lawyer in history to evolve into an individualist anarchist; for another, he became steadily and inexorably more radical as he grew older."
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago
    The Chain of Obedience
    Web link Mike Powers
    Ludwig von Mises said, "Man is born an asocial and antisocial being." This delusion parrots the monstrous myth that man is somehow "fallen," created with a "sin nature," or strangely evolved "wrong." Such dehumanization is the pretext for every cruel and wicked act seen on this world. He continues, "The newborn child is a savage. Egoism is his nature. Only the experience of life and the teachings of his parents, his brothers, sisters, playmates, and later of other people force him to acknowledge the advantages of social cooperation and accordingly to change his behavior." (Omnipotent Government, p. 241) The rule of agricultural city-Statism (civilization) "social cooperation" is that you follow the rules. The hierarchical CULTure of agricultural City-Statism (civilization) gets forced into kids early. The natural desire to gambol through the woods as a dweller of the forest (i.e., "silva"-dweller, or savage) gets brutally subdued. Just like Mises championed. And it works. Then he dares blame others for the consequences. So I dub thee unforgiven.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    "'Constitutionalism': The White Man's Ghost Dance," an essay by Bob Black, states: "Constitutionalists are certain that conniving judges, legislators and lawyers switched their own false law for the real law when the people weren't looking ... Constitutionalists look upon law as the word-magic of lawyer-necromancers who draw their wizardly powers from grimoires, from books of magic spells they have selfishly withheld from the people. Constitutionalists have extracted from these books -- from judicial opinions, from the Constitution, from legal dictionaries, from the Bible, from what-have-you -- white magic with which to confound the dark powers of legislation..." They all think that somehow, some way, agricultural city-Statism (civilization) will change its spots. __________________ "Constitutionalism": The White Man's Ghost Dance Robert Black http://www.spunk.org/texts/writers/black/sp001650.html
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    For anyone who may be interested here's a bit more from the Online Etymology Dictionary. republican (adj.) 1712, "belonging to a republic," from republic + -an (see -ian). In noun sense of "one who favors a republic," it is recorded from 1690s; and in sense of a member of a specific U.S. political party (the Anti-Federalists) from 1782, though this was not the ancestor of the modern U.S. Republican Party, which dates from 1854. [Emphasis added] republic c.1600, "state in which supreme power rests in the people," from Fr. république, from L. respublica (abl. republica), lit. res publica "public interest, the state," from res "affair, matter, thing" + publica, fem. of publicus "public" (see public).
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    "A true state is distinguished from nonstate societies by the presence of political leaders who maintain a socially approved monopoly on the legal use of legitimate force." (Service, 1975) Suverans2, you're subject to that monopoly of force, whether you consent or not, whether it's legitimate or not. If you don't think you're subject to the State's enforcement, grow a some pot and start openly advertising and selling it. You'll learn the effectiveness of your legalistic word-magic. There is no voluntary city-Statism (civilization,) which is what your Black's Law Dictionary spell-casting rituals assume. Only people in an egalitarian Non-State sociopolitical typology are observed to be free. "Historically, people in non-state societies are relatively autonomous and sovereign. They generate their own subsistence with little or no assistance from outside sources. They bow to no external political leaders." (Service, 1975) __________________ Service, Elman (1975), Origins of the State and Civilization: The Process of Cultural Evolution. New York: Norton. NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper/cf_3333/Non_State_and_State_Societies.pdf
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    The master has the right to tell his servants, i.e. subjects, what they can and cannot ingest. Subject. ...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government. Swiss Nat. Ins. Co. v Miller, 267 U.S. 42,45 S.Ct. 213, 214, 69 L.Ed. 504.~ Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition (c.1991), page 1425 The latter is true, I believe, because a true "republican form of government" is restrained by the laws of nature, that is to say, the natural law of the human world. What you and I do not have the lawful authority to do, the government does not have the lawful authority to do. In other words, it is a government that "derives its just powers from the consent of the governed [its voluntary members]". This is why you now are "subject" to a "democratic form of government", and not republican. "Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." ~ James Madison, Federalist No. 10
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Ivan Eland is ignorant of the facts about peak oil. He then proffers Cornucopian fallacies, as if "free" market economics can somehow negate the laws of thermodynamics. He writes, not to discover the truth, but to support his tottering libertarian ideology that city-Statism (civilization) isn't inherently aggressive and doesn't operate on the game theory of the Prisoner's Dilemma. The US empire expanded into the Middle East for one reason: the Prisoner's Dilemma, briefly explained as follows: "The Prisoner’s Dilemma provides the logical foundation of why civilization must always continue to grow. Each society faces a choice: do we continue to intensify production, adopt greater complexity, and increase the size or scale of our society, or do we happily accept the level we’re already at? If you choose not to intensify, you will be out-competed by those who do–and your lower level of intensity and complexity will become a resource they can absorb to fuel their further acceleration, whether by outright conquest or more subtle forms of economic or cultural exploitation. "This is the underlying logic of Joseph Tainter’s argument concerning collapse in peer polities in The Collapse of Complex Societies. If one peer polity does choose to collapse, that region becomes a resource that can be exploited by its neighbors. Whoever conquers it first will have an advantage over the others in the continuing race of escalation." Thesis #12: Civilization must always grow. by Jason Godesky | 23 October 2005 http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/index.html
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Would a Non-State sociopolitical typology suit you? "Historically, people in non-state societies are relatively autonomous and sovereign. They generate their own subsistence with little or no assistance from outside sources. They bow to no external political leaders." (Service, 1975) I'd guess a Non-State sociopolitical typology would not suit most libertarians, because they're like the monkey who has stuck his hand stuck in the monkey trap. They might express an aspiration for freedom, but they desire more the trinkets of agricultural city-Statism (civilization.) There is no way to arrange city-Statism to be as free as you want. Conjuring a "voluntary city-State (civilization)" is as contradictory, and therefore as impossible, as conjuring an animated corpse. The "voluntary city" is make-believe, fantastical Zombie economics, useful as an excuse to keep your hand in the Monkey Trap of city-Statism (civilization.) ________________________ Service, Elman R. (1975) Origins ofthe State and Civilization: The Process of Cultural Evolution. New York: Norton. NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper/cf_3333/Non_State_and_State_Societies.pdf
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    WYSIWYG! Observing Soviet communism, I call it communism, even though true-believer communists bellyache that what can be observed is not PURE® Communism, but "State Capitalism," or a "mixed economy," "cronyism" or whatever lame alibi they can conjure to excuse their ideology's failure. I apply the same principle to capitalism by which I judge communism; that is, WYSIWYG, or What You See Is What You Get, or simply A=A. Observing American capitalism, I call it capitalism, even though true-believer captialists bellyache that what can be observed is not TRUE® Capitalism, but "State Capitalism," or a "mixed economy," "cronyism," or whatever lame alibi they can conjure to excuse their ideology's failure. True believer dogma aside, both capitalism and communism, as we observe them, are agricultural city-Statist political schemes that are quite similar: They both concentrate power and wealth, and they both collapse when wealth and power are too concentrated in the hierarchical elite's hands. Both capitalism and communist true-believers are exactly alike in their disdain for the personal responsibility for living a Non-State society lifeway of gamboling about plain and forest, foraging and hunting for food. Officer, am I free to gambol about plain and forest? MARX: NO! MISES: NO! Thus we can see that capitalism and communism are actually quite similar political ideologies of totalitarian* agricultural city-Statism (civilization.) _________________ * "For its complete ruthlessness toward all other life-forms on this planet and for its unyielding determination to convert every square metre on this planet to the production of human food, I've called it totalitarian agriculture." ~THE BOILING FROG by Daniel Quinn Excerpt from the book, “The Story of B” http://www.oilcrash.com/articles/frog.htm
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    rita 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Mike Powers
    Although I wonder what right or obligation any government has to prevent drug use in the first place.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago
    The Collectivist Mind
    Web link Michael Dunn
    Without agriculture, which was initiated 10,000 years ago by Bernie Madeoff-ish "Big Men" or "Emergent Elite" (those are scholarly anthropological terms you too can research yourself*,) then there wouldn't be a huge population to serve the elite Hierarchy as a "large pools of labor to provide for the nobility, and large populations that can be levied into large armies with which hierarchy can expand."** How to feed 7 billion. Wait, half of those are already starving or near starving, so how do we feed 3.5 billion human cattle -- or what Conucopian economist Julian Simon refers to as "The Ultimate Resource" -- bred to serve the hierarchy? Maybe there's a way out. I've got a few ideas, others do too. But first, we have to understand how we got to this. Mises, Rand, Rothbard, etal have it wrong. Completely wrong. As wrong as Biblical creationist got the origins of the species. ______________________ * (This is a short summary by an anthropologist) Thesis #10: Emergent elites led the Agricultural Revolution. by Jason Godesky | 11 October 2005 http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/index.html ** quoted from: Thesis #11: Hierarchy is an unnecessary evil. by Jason Godesky | 21 October 2005 http://rewild.info/anthropik/thirty/index.html
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    Suverans2 3 years 27 weeks ago
    Never Volunteer
    Page Paul Hein
    Has anyone else clicked on the Verl K. Speer link? BEWARE: I believe that there may be a virus attached to it.
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago
    The Collectivist Mind
    Web link Michael Dunn
    Not to start an argument here WI but without agriculture how are we going to feed ourselves? in my neighborhood in a semi-rural area if all of us had to hunt or forage for what we have to consume all the trees would be gone in a years time. Most of the wild the animals, fish, and birds too. Then what?
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    KenK 3 years 27 weeks ago Page Alex R. Knight III
    I hear you Alex but word games in courts of law just don't work. Not only will you be found guilty but you will go on the cops, DAs and judges shit list of knuckleheads to be ticketed, fined, harassed, and screwed with at every opportunity. Believe it.
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    WhiteIndian 3 years 27 weeks ago
    The Collectivist Mind
    Web link Michael Dunn
    Agriculture itself is collectivist. In fact, agriculture is the first-line reason why we have governmental functions in agricultural city-Statism (civilization.) Richard Manning sums up the evidence from archeology and anthropology well in his book Against the Grain, "Agriculture creates government," because big drainage and/or irrigation projects cover vast areas of land, roads, etc. Libertarians have a sophomoric, literalistic view of property rights. Their naivety was demonstrated this year when a few libertarian-type city-slickers, who moved to the rural area in which I live, made the news. See, a farmer had a drainage problem -- a large tile draining his farm was broken down. The farmer called up the county engineer, who is in charge of drainage. The farmer asserted his agricultural fields' property rights, which includes well drained soil. The farmer's property rights extend about 12 miles, all the way to the big river. All land owners pay yearly drainage assessments (digging ditches, clearing trees, installing drainage tile, etc.) All this work to maintain "individual" property values is done "collectively" via the county engineer and state crews. The tile that needed dug up and replaced ran through the yards of the newly built McMansions. Oh, how they belly-ached, and spouted various libertarian themes to the papers and eventually in court. But, of course, the state laws governing the abstract concept of property rights (including 12 miles worth of collectively maintained tile and ditches to preserve property "value" for agriculture) prevailed. The farmer's property rights were preserved in spite of Libertarian legalistic contrariness. Last time I talked to one of the libertarians, he still maintained the conceptual fiction that his property was basically an extension of his body, and he ("his" land) had been "raped," and blah, blah, blah.... I just asked him how a human body can extend 12 miles. I got a blank expression.
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    AtlasAikido 3 years 27 weeks ago Web link Pete_Eyre
    In reply to such prior questions as "Question: do you [I] accept the theory of evolution?" I ask WhiteIndian--"what are you going to do to FREE YOURSELF?" as the relevant question. Making it personal--something directly controlled--does not mean I am interested in WhiteIndian's personal life per se. The following article addresses that. There is *No We*: Challenge the Premise. http://zerogov.com/?p=2334 For instance: The truth is no one knows what “we” will do in a completely voluntary society, there is just no way of knowing. Any answer that is given to questions pertaining to the problems that individuals would face in such a society are purely speculation. I cannot tell you what we would do, I can only tell you what I would and do. I would/do honor my contracts; I would/do defend myself; I would/do choose to help others in need; I would/do expect no one to support me; and I would/do plan accordingly. This as as good as a time as any to point out that humans may desire to live together but certainly not with cheats and liars and those who break the Non-aggression principle. Some individuals will choose to live alone if they desire peaceful existence until they find others who are of like mind. To elaborate: Someone says that the State solution to such and such problem isn’t working, we are in real trouble, what are we going to do about it. The essay “Freedom Has No ‘System” very nicely answers with the equivalent of “What do you mean ‘WE’, Statist?” Such an approach puts the burden of freeing oneself onto the Statist. It UNDERSCORES the fact that the Statist has NOT bothered to think of solutions that do NOT involve enslaving other people. As pointed out in the article: “…[watch] my fellow humans squirm when asked to think like a free people…”.