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    Jim Davies 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Jim Davies
    If you were right and de la Boetie, wrong - that the peaceful termination of government is a "dream" - then we would be left with two alternatives: (a) suffer government for ever or (b) overthrow it with violence. As Frances Tandy said of (b), if it were possible it would not be necessary. As to (a), you have that choice of course. I will not join you. Nor will I join you in supposing the nonviolent alternative is a "dream." On the contrary, all that's needed to make it happen is to engage the brain, form a systematic strategic and tactical plan for causing it to happen, and get to work. Some of us have done that. All are welcome to join.
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    GeoffreyTransom 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Jim Davies
    The idea that we can slough off the parasite classes without violence is a nice dream, but it is a dream. The 5% of high-functioning sociopaths that comprise the political-parasite class, can count on a good-sized cadre of lower-functioning violent sociopaths to do their dirty work... and 80% of the public will accept unquestioningly when the TV news tells them that the now-dead protesters were 'terrorists' or 'lestai' or whatever they're called by the State. I would also point out tat the work attributed to de la Boetie was repudiated by him later in life, as he faced consequences (i.e., being killed by the State) if he acknowledged authorship. He also went on to be thoroughly assimilated (did he not finish his life as a career parasite?)
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    Darkcrusade 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    The difference btween the slaves under communism and the slaves under capitalism, is that the communists slaves always knew they were being lied to. The CAPITAList slave still thinks he knows the truth............... ''There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. (Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)'' It has always been a CRIMINAL JUST-"US" system. Cops have always been robbers they are paid from stolen monies.
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    tzo 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Paul Hein
    The best short answer is government interference, which has notably led to the current insurance system. Your MRI may be way, way, way, cheaper if you pay cash and bypass the insurance: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/27/business/la-fi-medical-prices-20...
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    Samarami 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    "...Something is desperately wrong with our legal system when the government can take property from innocent people who have never been charged with a crime..." I submit this: if I'm still thinking, as the writer from the Washing Times laments, of some criminal state apparatus as "...our legal system...", I'm probably quite a ways yet from acquiring liberty for myself and those around me. It might be YOUR legal system, and I'm certain it is Nita Ghei's legal system (she, after all, writes for the Times. Her job would be in stark jeopardy if she would ever start to think and write like a free individual). State agents in fancy and very expensive "pursuit" vehicles, and wearing state costumes (and dangerously armed to boot) are now and have always been the most egregious gangsters on the street. Part of what makes them more dangerous than the occasional robber who might accost me with a gun or a knife if I'm stupid enough to traipse into their "territory" is the fact that a plurality of my friends, family and neighbors consider them "...our legal system..." Sam
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    Samarami 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    I always thought it was the stork. Well...wasn't it the stork??? Here's an interesting thought I had reading the article: throughout the author tended to link his topic either directly or covertly to the actions of human, civil government: "our way of life"!!! "...But the opposition to the sexual revolution goes much further than sex. For at least the past half-century, conservatives have cast a much wider net, lumping together feminism, sexual and reproductive freedom, abortion rights, and even equal pay with the potential downfall of America..." I'd be interested in hearing what most folks interpret as "...the potential downfall of America.." Many here recognize I've become of late rather of a disciple of Delmar England (although I eschew the idea of acquiring or retaining heroes and/or gurus, and so does Delmar). Delmar England has helped me see how the way I frame a phrase or a topic in my mind relates directly to how free I actually am. If I think of "...the-downfall-of-america..." as a BAD thing, I probably am still enslaved. I can get out of slavery, but I haven't gotten out yet. I'm still thinking like a slave. As a 76 year-old father, grandfather and great grandpa of many I can still testify that sex is a grave bugaboo for me at times. But I'm free. I know vultures acclaiming titles of "...our leaders..." are not MY leaders. And therefore I can work through the many issues I still have left regarding sex and sexuality without associating or labeling them as "social issues" -- an association that would keep me in servitude to "society". Just some out-loud musing. Sam.
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    The Government should not be paying for or assisting in higher education. If you want a college degree then you should be willing to work for it, for working to accrue the funds to pay the price of the education adds incentive to do well and now squander away the academic years. My wife worked at a University and shared a story about one young woman who enrolled only long enough to get the money then quit to party. I don't know what kind of loan, assistance or grant this was but for some reason it was paid directly to her. I know this is not the case in many assistance programs or grants, but it just happened that this one was.
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    Glock27 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    This Nation will collapse without a moral and virtuious people.
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    Glock27 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    Surfdom is comming, hi ho, hi ho, and its off to the salt mines we go.
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Jim Davies
    Your essay, Jim, is another good one. It will be interesting to see how many who are presently yoked with The Beast either psychologically or employment-wise can be turned around, recognize their true enemy, and seek liberty. I hope you take personal credit for not simply standing around to see how that all plays out. I think it was master parasite and predator Winston Churchill who once said, "...occasionally someone will stumble upon the truth. But they quickly pick themselves up and rush on!..." Politicians depend upon Churchill's axiom to be ingrained within the vast majority of the unwashed masses -- the "voting public". And the rest of us? Who are we? A few extremists to be humored. That's all. I definitely agree the web in the last 10-15 years has picked up unbelievable steam in allowing ordinary folks to be exposed to ideas of freedom. How will that pan out? Only time will tell. How will the Ron Paul "movement" help shape the population of young students (who will soon replace us as heads of families) to eventually recognize the futility of civil government and political action? I know it took the Barry Goldwater "movement" (and eventually Harry Browne, himself a governmentalist to the extent he chose to "run for potus") to slowly bring an old statist like me to explore liberty. And that, too, was long before the internet. Ron Paul, although he appears to be a true exponent of freedom, is governmentalist through and through. But all of us had to start somewhere, and I do believe a host of Pauliens today will be root-strikers tomorrow. Enough to bring the numbers up as Jim prescribes? I hope so. But, like tzo, I'll keep a fresh bag of popcorn handy. Just for the fun of it I logged onto the local socialistic ("public" ha ha) library catalog a few minutes ago and did a search for Étienne de La Boétie in all categories. Zilch. Nada. Nobody here by that name. I'll agree the printing press alone would never have given rise to the numbers that are presently being allowed exposure to liberty. Yet I'll also declare that circumcision is a fearsome prospect to the hordes who have only known the security of foreskin. Go figure. Sam
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    Scott Lazarowitz 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Jim Davies
    "30 million 'civilians' (as they arrogantly call us)" In recent years, I have been referring to the two classes in America: Government and Civilians. I have no problem referring to myself as a "civilian," as I am certainly glad to not be referring to myself as "government," or as an agent of the government.
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Don Stacy
    Nothing new here.
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    Glock27 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Paul Hein
    As I recollect--growing up, neither of my parents had healthcare. I don't ever remember my mother ever going to the doctor until she was in her mid 70's. My dad went to the VA when he had too, but I hardly ever recall him going to a doctor, even myself as a kid I recall a time or two that I went and even had a doctor to come to my home to provide his medical services. Now. Here I am at 67 and I have probably gone to the doctor more times than both my mother and father and I have probably taken far more pills than they ever took in their lives. It is puzzeling what Paul says here. Why do we need more? More is the result of old diseases discovered, more is because when we sniff we go to a doctor, more is when we feel achy, go to the Dr., discover we have the flu (a viruis of which no pill can treat) sent home with an anti-biotic (That's useless) and stay in bed for a week. I can only speculate that cancer was not really treatable then, and now we have multimillion dollar MRI'S, CT Scans, CAT Scans and etc. Doctors have become specialists and charge $500.00 per office visit just like the emergency rooms. My question is "What is it that has caused the cost of medical treatment to skyrocket? Where I am an MRI will run around $4000.00. Why? I look at my genetic background and there is nothing devistating there. No heart attacks, no cancer, no ALS. Why then do I need health insurance? Because I am scared to death that if I get something from this modern world I am going to need a million dollars to treat me and I cannot afford to pay for insurance. Do I really have to die because I cannot get treatment for a condition? Is there anyone out there who can tell me? I am just asking, not debating or arguing any point here.
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 5 years 27 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    In the article I suggested reading from Andrew Carnegie. Of course I meant Dale Carnegie, duh! :-)
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 27 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Sam, I know you have spent a long time to arrive at where your are at today; from my perspective "My Country tis of thee sweet land of Liberty of thee I sing." Nothing of what you have said here can I disagree with. My Country is nothing of what it use to be and the odds of it ever being so is like hearing a fart twenty-seven light years away. My country is in my dream "Sweet land of Liberty", but with the Skexies (animated film years back: ugly bird like creatures controling everything) ruling everything "Sweet Land of Liberty" remains only a dream. That, at this time, is how I see my Country. When I opened my package to retrieve my brand new Garmin 570 GPS I use for hunting, the warrenty was covered in about 37 different languages. What's so wrong with our Language. Every Nationality that comes flooding into our bounderies seem to want one thing, not Liberty, but the benefits our government is so ready to hand out to every Juan, Fritz, Ping Chow, and etc. only to have their vote. What's this got to do with my Country? Nothing, but it has everything in the world to rape us of our "Sweet land of Liberty." Everything I have said here is fluffy fluf except "My Country tis of thee Sweet land of Liberty of thee I sing". Who am I? I haven't the slightest idea, but I believe that Sam has lit a candle in the far distance and I can see it, and I am marching towards it because it has been the brightes light here so far. Thanks Sam!
  • tzo's picture
    tzo 5 years 28 weeks ago Page Jim Davies
    It's true that de la Boëtie's idea is very old, but it may be unfair to call it ignored. In his time, what percentage of the population actually had access to however many few copies of his pamphlet were available? Fast forward to the 1960's, where people primarily went to the library or consulted encyclopedias (if they had such a luxury) for information. What would drive them to discover de la Boëtie's work. School? Television? And still, the percentage of people who actually dug for information at the library or in encyclopedias was miniscule. But now, like never before, look at us throwing his name and ideas around electronically. I would say that for the first time, the majority of the population has direct access to these types of ideas and really cannot avoid them even if they wanted to, as they have become ubiquitous enough that everyone is soaking in them at least a little bit. That is a major shift, and an unprecedented one. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. (grabs popcorn)
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Heroes and Soldiers Posted by Laurence Vance on May 31, 2012 04:57 PM Someone sent me this quote: "A hero is someone who stands up for his beliefs, a martyr is someone who dies for a cause, and a soldier is someone who dies for someone else's profit." http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/113096.html Sam
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    AtlasAikido 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    To be free of the Matrix is to be free of statist propaganda: Arachno-Capitalism On Ice! Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio interviewed on Alaska Radio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztzv_MyKB24&feature=youtube_gdata And the importance of A Philosophy of Mental Health: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqu8s2WgKx0&feature=relmfu
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Jim Davies had an excellent treatment of the reification that is "The State" a couple months ago. You can read it here. There is definitely a problem in definition whenever a sincere friend declares, "...I love my country!" Shades of Merle Haggard. Just what is "my country"??? Is it my Mom? Apple pie? My wife? My farm? My children??? You see, most of us have been so inundated with government ("public" ha ha) schools and state propaganda/educational schemes that many simply couldn't begin to define exactly what they mean when they utter such statements. That's the genius of politics: the lucidity to becloud each syllable they speak in such a manner as to virtually dazzle large percentages of the population in their area of influence out of their wages and their savings -- total obfuscation. If I believe one statement proclaimed by a functionary of state ("senator", "congresscritter", "potus") I've taken my first step down the proverbial Primrose Path. Particularly when one of those vultures presumes to quote one of "our" omnipresent "forefathers". "The State" is organized, monopolized violence. State agents are violent. "The State" is thievery. State agents are thieves. "The State" is an illusion. State agents are impotent. I'm serving my country. Right here. Right now. By helping you (if you're relatively new here) see and grasp liberty. I had to dump a lot of mental garbage to get here. But I'm here. Sam
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Marvin: "...It's easier to fight the bad guys without than to tackle the slave master in your mind...." This is a good thought, Marvin. "If you're going to be free, you'll need to start acting free..." is a paraphrase from an article from some years past by my friend, Mark Davis. You can read the article here. Sam
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    Never, never expect "justice" from a white man's "court" -- particularly a "court" he labels with the superlative "supreme". A justice system in which the state makes the laws, enforces them, prosecutes them, hires the prosecutors, licenses the defense attorneys, pays the judges, builds the jails (and contracts them out to private entities), pays the wardens and the guards and eventually the parole officers ... is not a unbiased system. http://www.thedailybell.com/3939/VIDEO-17-Year-Old-Honor-Student-Jailed-... Sam
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    DanClore 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Melinda L. Secor
    Make of it what you will, but in this case the six men on the Supreme Court ruled that the Fifth Amendment means nothing if you can make up a clever excuse to ignore it, while the three women on the court disagreed.
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Are you positing that suicide bombers and etc, are good people, and Americans are bad? Are you willing to go to Iran and live there for a year or so? Yes. I love my country. I would gladly serve for my country, and my country is not the government, God forbid, I would not serve that crap heap of morons in Washington! What do you stand for? Why do you stand for what you believe? Could you be just as open with your opinions in Iran or China or North Viet Nam? Would you go to those places and say what you are now saying? Do you enjoy hurting other people?
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    I like your point, and I was aware of the WWI Christmas thingy, just didn't realize that was what you were refering to. I do believe though we would never see the same from "RADICAL Muslim Terroist". I wuderstand the WWI. No one really wanted that. It is my understanding that on the British side the officers were ordered to threaten any of the German troops when bombarding was going to occur. Thanks for the thoughts.
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Wow! That's a lot of intellectualism. Damed!
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    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Sam, I will not insult you by thanking your for your service to the millions of Americans of this Great Nation (not the government, but us as a people wanting to be free). I served during the Viet Nam era, didn't want to, but I knew I did not have the freedom to choose differently then so I went ahead and did it to get it over with. I agree whole heartedly and with the deepest respect that war is something out of the bowels of hell created by greedy, self-agrandizing zelots. However I strongly object to dispariging those who served their country (not their government). Iraq should never have happened. But I respect the blood soaked ground young men and women are dying on, I repect their decision. I do not like this bull-shit anymore than anyone else. Today I would never volunteer, but I would respect those who do, it is their belief. If they can be taught different then so be it. The hellishness of this is what do you do if we do not engage an enemy whom is threatening the lives of our children and grandchildren and possible enslavement of a worse nature for the future generations. As I underestand it a Libertarian is anti-aggression unless aggressed against. Do you wait until the guy on the next stool knocks the mortal hell out of you before you become offenive. Do you suggest that we let Iran shoot the first nuclear weapon on one of our cities and kills hundreds of thousand american lives. If this is Libertarianism then I wish no part of it. When I walk out of my house I am already in a defensive mode ready to become offensive in a heart beat. Sam. I sincerely hope that if someone should thank you for your service you will merely nod your head and walk on by. If I am correct this is the conduct a libertarian would take. I thank vets, but I never mention that I also served. I thank them because I respect them and the decision they made. I Sam, I am curious though. Was it not possible for you to have gone to Canada at the time you were drafted? It may not have crossed your mind at the time, but during the Viet Nam Era I know some who did exactly that. I do not disparage them for their decision because it was their "Natural Freedom" that gave them the choice. If I had know then, as I do now, I probably would have scooted to Canada myself.
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    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link mhstahl
    Samarami. I guess it is about how we view freedom. I am entirely uncertain what Libertarians actually believe. It seems to me there is a plethora of different style of Libertarians. Maybe that should be expected, but I am a person who is really autistic for consistancy despite the fact that I am as inconsistant as can be. Some of the things I read I kind of agree with in regards to the libertarian position. I agree that the government is nothing near what the Constitution outlines and I agree that our Bill of Rights has virtually diasppeared. The Constitution, as far as I have learned to date, started getting screwed up with George Washington and the Whiskey Tax. From there it all started going to hell in a hand basket. Now. I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals, probably less against them than our tyrannical federal and state government. I have not brought myself around to accepting the idea of marrage, maybe in time. If I believe that all people have a "Natural Right to Freedom"; in the countable and uncountable stages of the noun, then it would clearly be hipocritical of me to say no to marrage (my objection is a learned response). My strongest objection to gays is not the law abiding respectable gay person its the freeks that want to parade about and flaunt their lifestyle under the noses of the American people. These actions do more harm for the decent and respectable gay person and their cause than anything else. I was raised by homophobic parents and parents who strenuously objected to black folks. As a kid I could undertand the homophobia, but could never grasp the detestation for Black Americans. Yes I am still uneasy about black and white marrages, but there ain't nuttin I can do about it. My youngest son engaged himself with a black woman and sired an offspring, and I love the boy dearly. How in the hell does that happen. My daddy and momma would come snarling out of their graves over this. If my son were gay I would go privately nuts. As I see it, the primary isssue is that gay people want the same legal rights married people have (to be penalized through the marrage penalty secret clause written nowhere). It would be cheaper for me to divorce my wife and we both continue to live together. You might not be a Christian, and it makes no difference, but you do need to respect their position, at least the way I understand the libertarian philosophy (which is very little as I am only interested in being able to have the freedom to do what I wish without harming anyone else as I do what I want to do, and I don't appreciate the government stuffing their nose up my ass to tax me for having hemroids). John Adams stated that this country would collapse if we were not a moral and virtuious people. Looking at what has evolved over and throughout history this seems to be somewhat of an accurate prediction. Now. Politely enlighten me. O.K. and not over my spelling and grammer.
  • Samarami's picture
    Samarami 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link mhstahl
    Here's a case of the cart being placed squarely in front of the horse. Of what concern is it to me (as a libertarian) what is sanctioned or not sanctioned by agents of state? Far as I can see it won't affect me or my family if state agents "license" dogs or horses or jackasses to marry. I might encourage them to do so. Until relatively recent history functionaries of civil government had not discovered the propriety (and lucrative theft/control device) of "licensing" individuals to marry. That was a church function. Enacting federal reserve and income tax laws for control of the unwashed masses (and the fruits of their production) gave rise to such encroachments as enhanced marriage "laws" and "licensing". I'll agree to the egregiousness of promoting the "gay" phenomenon as normal behavior in government ("public" ha ha) schools. I see that as a small blip in a large globalist agenda. Sam
  • Glock27's picture
    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago
    Discrimination
    Page Paul Bonneau
    In Michigan we have what is called "Criminal empowerment Zones" and are usually places where mass murder and mahem occurs. Those places would be: Schools, churches, theaters, post offices, bars, state and federal buildings and a few others I cannot recollect at the moment. We have an organization that keeps tabs on businesses that are suppose to say "No Guns Allowed" and they are posted on the site. One place I go frequently does not have a sign posted clearly and is kept quiet obscure. However, here, if the owner notes you are carrying he must ask you to leave otherwise all that happens is you can be cited for trespassing; not an offense that would cause you to loose your licenses. Since the sign is not obvious I continue to carry and plead ignorance because it is obscure. Since I am concealed carry I have no problem wandering into a store that says no guns allowed. They are not going to see it anyway, even if they do all they can do is ask me to leave. Once they do that I will inform them that I will let others know to not participate in the facility (probably won't hurt their business any though).
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    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Damned you are good. I wish I could have the opportunity to chat with you. I have seen and met supposed intellectuals that are no smarter than a high school drop out. Me. I have a bachelors and a masters degree, which I am proud of, but don't meet up to the titles. I still feel like a high school drop out. Is there any possibility that we could communicate for a bit.
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    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    Thanks for your work. I believe this site could use more people like you. Wish I had the cognitive intuitiveness to dig like that. I tend to dabble here and their just looking without focus. I am not a true Libertarian but a "wanter of my freedom as intended by the Constitution", a Constitution which may be flawed, but if kept constant in a simple line of definition just might be pretty damned good. Just saying, not proclaiming.
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    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link mhstahl
    I am presuming that for Libertarians this is not big deal and might be considered a victory for freedom. In one respect this would be true, but I am not certain this has been clearly thought through. I don't want to knee jerk here because I am a 2nd amendment freek, I am married to the idea that I have a right to own and carry a firearm and for me to be against this would make me hipocritical(sp?). I have nothing against gay individuals. I was raised with a homophobic bent, but have gradually become lets say tolerant. I probably will not be able to accept this concept, despite the fact that maybe they truely do have the right. My concern is the future and right now our public school systems are beginning to force the concept on very young minds and in cases encouraging experimentation. This is something I cannot agree with. Anyway that's my position because I find it to be shocking that a community of religious Jews could ever come to such a consensus given the scriptures they have. I probably should not have said anything, but I have and here it is.
  • Paul's picture
    Paul 5 years 28 weeks ago Page Paul Bonneau
    I was digging around Wikipedia and found one apparent confirmation of my suggestion that great wealth creates governments and the state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization "The historical Etruscans had achieved a state system of society, with remnants of the chiefdom and tribal forms.... The princely tombs were not of individuals. The inscriptional evidence shows that families were interred there over long periods, marking the growth of the aristocratic family as a fixed institution, parallel to the gens at Rome and perhaps even its model. There is no sign of such a hereditary aristocracy in the preceding Villanovan culture. The Etruscans could have used any model of the eastern Mediterranean. That the growth of this class is related to the new acquisition of wealth through trade is unquestioned." I had earlier another apparent confirmation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebla "At that time, Ebla was a major commercial center. Its major commercial rival was Mari, with whom it fought a lengthy war estimated as lasting 80–100 years.... The form of government is not well known, but the city appears to have been ruled by a merchant aristocracy who elected a king and entrusted the city's defense to paid soldiers." However from my impression is control of the earliest Sumerian cities were centered more around religion than commerce. Anyway I find this an interesting question. Too bad the information from those times is so incomplete.
  • AtlasAikido's picture
    AtlasAikido 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    SOooo? Anarchy: It Can’t Work Here and There Are No Examples in History. [Nope!!] Consider this query: where has anarchy worked? Those who defend anarchy have likely had this question thrown at them in every conversation. Those who believe anarchy equals chaos likely have thrown out this question in every conversation. First, what does “worked” mean? Worked for whom? Worked how? The same can be asked about the state. When has the state (defined as the legal monopoly of force over a given geographic region) worked? Worked for whom? How? For those who don’t want to be under the threat of coercion, inherently anarchy works. For those who prefer peaceful means of relationships, anarchy works. For those who believe the initiation of force is wrong, again anarchy works. For such people, in fact it is the only form of structuring society that “works.” For those who believe it is right that man lords over man, anarchy does not work. For such people, the state certainly works. For those who believe that the same act could be either legal or illegal, depending on the employer of the actor, the state works. For those who believe that force and coercion is the proper means by which to order society, the state works. But where has the state worked in regards to those areas of our lives the state says it is working on? The state has taken on many challenges, supposedly for the benefit of its subjects: managing the economy, peaceful coexistence with others in the world, elimination of poverty, teenage drinking, illicit drugs, health care, etc. Can any of these endeavors undertaken by the state be deemed successful? The list of state failures is exactly as long as the list of state-run programs. Should the burden of proof of the benefits of considering anarchy and opposing the state really be on the proponent of anarchy? The following is addressed: Anarchy: The Historical Record... The Fight for Control... Anarchy is Uncivilized? Creating Subjects... State-Accessible Product... Population Increases and Control via Slavery... The Defense Benefits of Being a Non-State... State-ordered Society is a Civilized Society? [Indeed] The Art of NOT Being Governed - Anarchy: The Unknown Ideal http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/2012/03/anarchy-unknown-ideal.html
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    Glock27 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Westernerd
    Well...it may have failed but its all we have, and the probability of changing it must be zero. The question is "What's the solution that can be implimented". I also wonder if the Constituton was merely hi-jacked. If it was, what can be done to return it to the people What gets to be weirisome is all the complaining and venting, but a coming together to make change happen I have not observed on the site, especially when you can read that "one" person, at individual points of time, have made a difference in affecting a change in the laws. I haven't figured it out and it appears as though no one else has either.
  • AtlasAikido's picture
    AtlasAikido 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    To see the military-industrial-police-state-prison-gmo-food-acadamia-intellectual-property-war-is-a-racket farm is to leave it. Apparently there is enough people who know this and more are finding more productive ways to live. Some things to consider at Lewrockwell, Mises, MIT and more: Cross Reference http://www.strike-the-root.com/how-dare-you-rob-me-of-my-time-on-earth Gen. Smedley Butler wrote a book titled "War Is a Racket". Here is an excerpt: Smedley defined a racket as "something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people." War, he goes on, "is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious" of rackets. Reference: Where Is Smedley When We Need Him? http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer42.html
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    tomcat 5 years 28 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    This Article is in many ways typical.It emphasizes on the losses of Freedom, Money and human lives on the american Side. These are the losses that count.One could very well get the Impression that all these Wars wouldnt be so bad if it wasnt about these american Sacrifices.So much Selfcenteredness and Self Pity.! In other Regions of the world People experience a similar Amount of Loss not over years and decades but within a few weeks. @Glock27: Never mind, of course this has nothing to do with american foreign Policy and military Actions, no way, they brought this all to themselves.! Many Americans seem to have a rather simplistic view of the world. As if it comes right out of a naive 1950's Wild West Movie. "We are the good Guys, we acting only good and justly and whoever stands up against the singing Cowboy must be the Villain." So why do so many People in other Parts of the World hate America ? Since there can't be a reasonable Cause its most likely because you are great, clever and just and they are second class, stupid and evil.Maybe with some effort they can be brought to their senses so they become more like you. Masturbating in Front of your own mirror image and sending yourself flowers afterwards because you have been such a great lover! Just try not to fall for Groupidentity and Herdinstinct, dont be a "right or wrong my country - Hurrah"-Patridiot. They have their Salafists, you have your Biblebelt.Look for a Christian fundamentalist in your own Land, shouldnt be difficult to find one after you have taken the Plank out of your own Eye.The Views about the role of women in society and the disrespect and sometimes outright Hatred for People with non standard Sexuality or the "wrong" faith are very similar on both Sides.If it wasnt about some minor Differences in their "holy Books" they could actually become good friends. As far as the "extinction of the Jews" is concerned, get yourself a correct Translation of the referring Ahmadinejad-Speech. Learn about the Role the Europeans and the Americans played in the Middle east during the last hundred Years especially in Iran and Irak and the way the State of Israel was created. But maybe you see nothing wrong in giving some stupid Natives a colonial Treatment due to your own History. Otherwise do you know the Difference between a Jew and a Zionist ?.That many Jews, Rabbis, prominent Artists and Intellectuals are outspoken Opponents of "eretz Israel".? Could you tell me why a suicidebomber is a criminal coward while a Fighterpilot or Droneoperator dropping his Bombs killing either "accidently" or "inevitably" civilians is a brave Hero? Just because he considers himself as a Reincarnation of Roy Rogers? Your best friends in the Region are Israel, a copycat of former Apartheid-South Africa and Saudi-Arabia, by Americas own double Standards of human rights and "democracy" by far the worst Regime in whole Region. There is no intellectual or moral Superiority on your Side, only Arrogance, Greed and the Lust for Power. With most of the hostility against you caused by your own Actions, if your are looking for Terrorists, you can tell your "innocent Grunts" to look at those who are giving the Orders.And then they should look at each other: those who are obeying the Orders.
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    DanClore 5 years 28 weeks ago
    Working Capital
    Page Jim Davies
    I have an article on "Socialism and Capitalism" at Nolan Chart, but the spamfilter won't let me give the URL.
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    DanClore 5 years 28 weeks ago
    Working Capital
    Page Jim Davies
    You have it right that the meaning of the term "capitalism" has been changed over time, but you're a little mistaken about the actual course of events. The occupiers are the ones using the term in its traditional sense.
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    AtlasAikido 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Thanks! The short answer. [It is already happening with Russia, Iceland, Wenchou province, Steve Wynn in Macau, the fashion industry, MIT, Khan Academy, Bitcoin etc]: I’ll tell you the reason I do not feel the need to have to explain how freedom might work. Look back at the last couple of hundred years. Look at the explosion in technology. Look at the advances in the medical field. Look at the marvels taking place in the computing world. My goodness, look at the Internet itself. Everywhere we look we see human genius at work. This boom started to happen right around the same time chattel slavery was abolished in many countries. Do you think this is a coincidence? When men could no longer own other humans, and force those humans to labor, they had to come up with alternatives. Necessity is the mother of invention, and when you own slaves, there is no need for invention or innovation. This is the reason why I consider myself a 21st century abolitionist, *I only have to look to the recent past to know that the abolition of slavery leads to amazing things. This is why I do not spend time explaining freedom, I spend my time explaining slavery*. Along with being an abolitionist, I am also a capitalist. I have been fond of saying, “I have my ideas, but they are mine.” If you need some advise on how to live your life without the use of slaves, I’ll start a business called the “Freedom Consulting Firm”, and then you can pay me for my ideas.... 21st Century Abolitionists by Chris Dates http://zerogov.com/?p=2371 A huge breakthru in freedom and a lead in: In the comment section of his article Chris is replying to a poster: who assumes I [Chris] would want some kind of idea protection [such as using the coercive power of government] just because I [he's]..a capitalist. That sort of thinking has helped to breed the ignorance that surrounds capitalism. [1. And here is Lessons from fashion's *free culture* [already existent]: Johanna Blakley on TED.com] http://blog.ted.com/2010/05/25/lessons_from_fa/ 2. Watch Steve Wynn's (hotel/club) move to Macau (Direct Actions). Moving innovatively, spiritually and physically to spaces of freedom in an unfree world AND making innovation actually possible--(Direct Results). And that translates to waitresses making north of $100K in Macau working with Steve. Embracing the division of labor society (laissez faire capitalism) remnant http://www.lewrockwell.com/holland/holland19.1.html 3. Anarchy and Agoras...Welcome to Wenzhou, where the mountains are high, the emperor is far away, and people are busy creating their own economic miracle. ] http://www.bradleymgardner.com/2011/11/16/wenzhou-chinas-black-market-city/ Etc....There is many more examples (I will post later) Chris continues: *Everything the human race uses and has* was at one time the idea of some individual. The collective has benefited because the individual dared to dream and then acted on his idea, and yes it’s his. That’s capitalism, and ideas are the heart of capitalism. I want *stateless capitalism, where the **only way my ideas can be guarded** is **by offering the best product at the lowest prices**. If you want what I [or others] have to offer bad enough, you will [voluntarily] pay for it, the *free market will see to it*.
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    Marvin (not verified) 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    First of all you are free. Freedom is from within not without. They may throw you in a prison, tax you, take away your "rights" but you are always free. This is the hardest thing to realize, that you have to free yourself from mental slavery. It's easier to fight the bad guys without than to tackle the slave master in your mind. It doesn't happen instantly and it's a process, I guess until you die. The only "solution" is in each individual. To force a solution on others because we believe we have the answer is the same thing governments do. You have to come up with your own plan. Will people resist you? Yes. Will others hate you for your beliefs, ethnicity, sexual preference, or even your intelligence? They always have and always will. You can't change the world but you can change yourself and when I change myself for the better my world becomes better. As for the WW1 Christmas truce, it was acted on by the men in the trenches on both sides, I'm saying what was so different about the 25th of December, that made them realize that the enemy was human just like them and lay down their weapons, than let's say January 22? Nothing just a mindset. If you haven't already, read Thoreau's work or Emerson, Lysander Spooner, Tolstoy and many others. I'm sure the same sentiments these writers have put on paper you have thought from time to time. What brought me close to Thoreau was not me blindly following the sayings of a man but finding that the same thoughts he had were my own reflected back to me. Yes Samarami, we are all blind in aspects of our lives but the great thing is that we see our faults and become better.
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    sscharliem 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    I say don't let on, play the game, listen the trial, deliberate on the facts, but not convinced, one has to vote NOT GUILTY.
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    Samarami 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Both of the above comments have merit and are well thought-out. I support you both in your willingness to comment and express yourselves. That's what liberty is all about, and it will come from the likes of us -- not from vultures of state and their state wars. Please never kid yourself that any war anywhere fought by any warrior has ever brought "freedom" to anybody. All wars from early history have led to subjugation, abject slavery, and unbelievably large numbers of mutilations, rapes and deaths of innocent victims -- not to mention conflicting participants who are NOT "innocent". That's what war is. Always. I'm 76. I was enslaved ("drafted") as a child by agents of state and forced to become a murderer. I served nobody. I did a disservice to all who were alive then, and who have been born since (including my 7 children and their families). Please do not insult me by thanking me "for my service". The 14 months I spent in Korea taught me some valiant lessons in rejecting statism and embracing anarchy, which is peace. I've spent the better part of sixty years forgiving myself and getting to anarchy and STR. That does not absolve me from blame. If I were to return to providing aid and comfort to "the state" (which does not exist -- only its agents and supporters exist) I would take on the same old killer instinct and guilt I've worked to jettison. Political holidays such as this are a stroke of genius on the part of the beast to prompt the unwashed masses to stand up and root for state parasites and their violence in drumming up and conducting state wars. War drums are a-beatin' over in the District of Collectivism as we speak. If they can't find an excuse to bomb Iran, they'll bomb Syria. Be free, and Abstain From Beans Sam
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    Glock27 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    I like your comment. I believe what you have expressed here is an accurate opinion. I am not a libertarian, but have felt compelled to figure it out a little more than what I know. I have read a few materials and they tend to make good sense but in our nation we have a government and a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. I recognize that these documents clearly mean nothing to the legislators and was stuned to learn there are some who do not know the three branches of government. Anyway, with today and todays Libertarians everyone seems to keep springing from the Constitution and at the same time keep knocking it down. It all seems so confusing. What do you believe in (Rhetorical). Please do not take my comments as critical, but as inquire. i am not arguing or debating just learning. Respectfully Glock 27 Former Military and proud to have served,
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    Glock27 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    This seems great to me. I like all the concepts here, but how do you impliment such a construction. I think this is the dream most all Americans want.
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    Glock27 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Enjoyed your comment. Will check th book out. I am not a Libertarian, probably couldn't be, but I believe in many of the principles presented by Libertarianism.
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    Glock27 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    In essence then the whole of the human race is just simply stupid If this is the proposition then libertarians are stupid as well. Dreams are one thing and reality is another. We have to face the realities of others, ergo I believe it is not an intelligent move too believe that other men will not recognize that everyday is as precious as Christmas and decide never to fight again. That logic does not match with an alternate intelligence, and culture, where a religion says that everyone else is nothing more than fagots to be burned, all christians must die, all Americans must die. This is a reality demonstrated daily. (You can't honestly believe that you will change a communist to a libertarian principle, or a radical Muslim who wants all Jews off the face of the earth and Americans). Proclaiming to be a libertarian is one thing, but doing something constructive about it is another. I wish there were a solution, but I cannot see one. The only thing I can think of is to become one of them (speaking here now about the federal government) and fight from the inside out. These sites are terriably interesting, but I never see anyone working towards a solution, actually presenting a workable plan. Even if there were, how would it be deployed to make a difference. The government we have is all we have and the change has to come from there unless there is a bonified revolution, and I don't see that coming either. All of this is nothing more than a dream unless there is an applied action to make it become a reality. For me, I am for the grunt, right or wrong they are under the belief that they are doing good, they bleed and they die for something they think is right. I am greatful for their sacrifice. As a libertarian they should still be respected. I just hope that when SHTF they do not turn on their own citizens as has occurred in other countries. I persist in saying that their beliefs have a right to be respected. Without respect there will never be a middle ground to be reached. I recognize that we have lost everything, starting with Washington and the "Whiskey Tax Rebellion". I would deeply appreciate having all my freedoms back, but they are lost. To gain them back one must work with what is currently available, not against it--for working against it only creates impentratable barriers that will never be over come. Please note this is not a criticism, but an observation. I am not arguing but presenting an idea. If you have an answer then please offer it. Criticism will not change my perspect only solid, rational reason will achieve that.
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    AtlasAikido 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Smashing: Fail; Withdrawing/[Marginalization]: Epic Win. Epic Win The Americans formed a continental government to overthrow Britain. It was mutated into the constitution which has authorised all the tyranny we now suffer, or was powerless to prevent any of it. (I think it is the former, and by design.) If we are going to avoid the same mistakes, over and over and over and over, it is important to understand what has gone before. That's why it is so important to read works of literature, philosophy, and practical politics in their original. You can't understand things by reading some other person's interpretation of ideas—what was interpreted ten minutes ago for someone else isn't going to match your situation right now. Raise up free markets. Raise up the spontaneous order of the market. Raise up the agora. Not to smash the state, but to obviate it. Not to make it the victim, and encourage its supporters to give it more power, but to show it as the bully it is. Show the surplus order of the state for what it is, so that people choose to abandon it. What do I mean by surplus order? I mean exactly what Alvin and Heidi Toffler meant in 1990's Powershift: Wealth, Knowledge, and Violence on the edge of the 21st Century. They meant to distinguish between the order that ordinary people want (self rule)—to be able to walk down the street without being attacked by riot police, to cross a border without being beaten and arrested, to enter a shop without being raped, to operate a shop without endless shop lifting. That sort of basic order is the order of the free market, and widely available. Surplus order imposes riot police wherever there are protesters, border police at every border crossing, a security camera in every place it can, a surveillance net for every cell phone call. Surplus order is when the state revokes passports, sets up a barricade at every airport and train station, kicks in doors at 3 a.m., and drags parents away from their screaming children. *Such surplus order does nothing for the people living in communities. It serves only those who control the state. [If one thinks/believes that it is not so and that there ARE no alternatives and no living proof of such then they take the serious risk of being considered trolls]* Smashing: Fail; Withdrawing: Epic Win by Jim Davidson http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2009/tle549-20091220-11.html
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    AtlasAikido 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    The notion that *foreign wars* and entanglements are wrong still emanates from a sparsely populated philosophical quarter that has no majority presence in the academy or the government–media complex. It is a true voice in the wilderness. That voice has one signature message: you cannot thank a veteran for your freedom because they have actively done nothing more than endanger its very existence. In fact, American military power abroad (and increasingly, at home) has made civilians more unsafe than they have ever been. The threat not only emerges from aggrieved victims of American brutality abroad but a government desperate in bad times to ensure that not one dollar of military expenditures is reduced. America is now a national security garrison state. Think about that the next time you take a flight. Veterans don’t need gratitude but a self-realization on their part that the machine they worked for was never an engine for liberty but a device whose single purpose was aggrandizement of American political power at home and abroad. And that political hammer always extinguishes liberty and never expands it. The Shame of Veteran’s and Memorial Day by Bill Buppert May 28th, 2012 http://zerogov.com/?p=2662 References: The Troops Don't Defend Our Freedoms by Jacob G. Hornberger http://www.lewrockwell.com/hornberger/hornberger64.html
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    AtlasAikido 5 years 29 weeks ago Web link Serenity
    Americans who show such strong support for America's *foreign wars [and the implications of such] see above* are living under a moral code that endorses States over rights, obedience of men to whatever States happen to control the territories they inhabit, decision-making control over war-making and indeed all public affairs by these States, and the precedence of duties to the State over other moral obligations. The antimony between those Americans who believe in these ideas and those who do not cannot be resolved with one government over all. Majority rule, voting, democracy and all that these mean can't resolve such basic and irreconcilable differences. Those who support America's wars almost unconditionally as morally right are making at least 4 assumptions each of which is to a very high degree, and some (including me) would say altogether, questionable. May 28, 2012 Memorial Day: A Reminder of Failed Moral Principles Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on May 28, 2012 02:21 PM http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/112894.html And furthermore: The Stateless Society Fights Back Life without a state? Really? Answers to common questions. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux5.html And yet what is going on NOW in Russia and Iceland and such Iranian fishermen as stated above is summed up at the root by Marvin: "How could we have a war if no one showed up to fight? If we are to strike the root then simply soldiers are the root. Hitler and Stalin are not the most evil people in the world what about the people who followed them. We all have to take responsibility for our actions there are no innocent grunts. Misguided, blinded, tricked maybe but we all have to put off our foolishness and misconceived notions at some point if not then we are perpetually children who do things just because our parents(Government) told us so. For example the Christmas Truce in WW1, why couldn't men realize that everyday is as precious as Christmas and decided never to fight again? They had a glimmer of insight to see the enemy("dirty terrorists" [dirty terrorcrats] ) as men themselves". http://www.strike-the-root.com/memorial-day-propaganda#comment-6216 Way before my time, but listen to and read the lyrics of "Universal Soldier". As even us, those who are not in the military are to blame for not doing more for peace. Indeed there is as evidenced a vanguard who remain *UNcommon* in regard to Goering Was Right Posted by Lew Rockwell on May 29, 2012 09:57 AM http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/112940.html